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Old 10-03-2016, 09:54 PM
 
Location: In your feelings
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Sounds to me like the same group of people who are against legalizing gambling in Georgia are also the same folks against things like legalizing recreational marijuana.
Afraid not; I am in favor of legalizing weed and in opposition to building casinos in my city.

Yes, I have been to Vegas, and to the "nice" casinos. A, I still think they're trash; and B, whatever they build in Atlanta wouldn't be half as nice as the nicest casino in Vegas. Let's stop pretending that MGM thinks Atlanta is an unbeatable gaming destination—their business model is just dependent on convincing more and more states to let them in the door.

They're even talking **** about Maryland now to Georgia, saying we're bigger and deserve a nicer casino than them. What makes you think they won't be pitching a $3 billion resort to some other city when ours is almost finished?
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:04 PM
 
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The biggest casinos in Vegas will cost the same as the proposed casino in Atlanta. They average around the $1.5 -$4 billion in construction cost.

And this isnt about Vegas. Vegas is Vegas. Im speaking about Atlanta
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Old 10-03-2016, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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The biggest casinos in Vegas will cost the same as the proposed casino in Atlanta. They average around the $1.5 -$4 billion in construction cost.

And this isnt about Vegas. Vegas is Vegas. Im speaking about Atlanta
The Vegas casinos are not the kind I would want in downtown.
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Old 10-04-2016, 06:31 AM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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If you are against casinos you also gotta be against alcohol, weed, cigarettes, porn, cheating on your taxes, sex b4 marriage, speeding, playing on the internet at work, etc.


Stop being against one sin but not being against other sins
It's not about no casinos, many just do not want it in Downtown.
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Old 10-04-2016, 07:06 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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I haven't operated a business but I seriously doubt MGM is running casinos on anything close to thin margins. It's a form of entertainment that comes with many downsides. I am not going act like this a fair stance in regards to Casinos. I would not support this type of treatment on a Federal level, but the state...

They aren't here, and we can just say no. So rather than them come in on their terms, they come in on our terms. I am tired of huge organizations with big pockets and lots of lobbyists throwing their weight around and getting their way. 1 billion sounds nice, but if they are offering that, there is way more to take. I want to see the highest percentage of recurring taxes ever given to a state to fund education and maybe transportation. There is not a single good reason we should take any less.

In regards to things like cigarettes and alcohol, they already have massive taxes on them. I'm ok with that and it should be extended to gambling.
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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And why in the hell are people scared the casino is going to take $$$ away from their business???

If your arse would have built a world class establishment and not half ass stuff you would have to worry about them. Competition is good. Step it up local businesses. Stop building bull**** and then getting scared when a real developer wants to come and bring us something world class
fieldm, I'm unsure I would ever consider any casino to be "world class," no matter how much it cost to build. Now, if they want to build it out on Lake Oconee or somewhere, knock your socks off, but I just don't think that intown Atlanta is the appropriate place for many reasons.
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Old 10-04-2016, 12:35 PM
 
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No casino? Cool but ban all alcohol, tobacco, strippers, porn, fast food, weed, etc because it also shouldn't be downtown.
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Old 10-04-2016, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Prescott, AZ
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No casino? Cool but ban all alcohol, tobacco, strippers, porn, fast food, weed, etc because it also shouldn't be downtown.
You are unnecessarily reductionist.

GAMBLING isn't the thing being turned down here. Nor is a casino even, generally. What IS being turned down, is the location.

Downtown Atlanta is just now starting its transition into something resembling vibrant, livable, and appealing. We already have residencies coming in, new shops, new commercial properties, jobs and tax sources etc.

A casino, by its very design, is an entity that aims to KEEP you inside it for as long as possible. It wants you to play, see shows, buy food, sleep, drink, and do as close to literally everything as it can get you to, inside its walls. To put something like that in downtown Atlanta is certain to create yet one more mostly dead block.

You say you've been to Vegas. As have I many times. If you notice, the casinos do this very thing. They have shopping, food, lodging, shows, et. all. INSIDE. The ONLY reason you see any sort of street-facing shops is because most of the strip is owned by ONE company. The strip is half MGM resorts, so it doesn't matter if you move from Excalibur to New York New York to the Luxor, or shop at the stores right outside, they're all taking your money to the MGM corporation.

The moment you step more than a block or two off the strip, everything dies. Empty lots, abandoned buildings, vacant store fronts, and smaller casinos just limping along. Even as you walk there, the blank walls and massive parking lots/decks of the larger casinos, create vast stretches of dead side-walk. The strip IS NOT a good form of urbanism.


Please understand me; Try to listen and realize this. I am NOT against Casinos in the state. I am NOT against gambling (though I do have issues with using it as a tax on the poor to feed scholarships which end up benefiting mostly middle-class / well-off people, but that's another topic entirely). I am NOT against alcohol, tobacco, strippers, porn, fast food, or weed.

What I am against is a casino in Downtown Atlanta. What I am against is creating a black-hole of a block in a neighborhood that's just now starting to see revitalization.

If you think it's such a boon and benefit, then why not put it elsewhere, as many have said themselves? Put it in Columbus, or Macon, or Augusta, or Savannah, or where ever. Just not in the city proper. We have far too many other things going on to let it take up space here.
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Old 10-04-2016, 01:27 PM
 
Location: Kirkwood
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The Vegas Strip is a horrible car-centric, super block, fortress-style development that is meant to trap visitors inside. Don't we have enough of that with all the government buildings?
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Old 10-04-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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I feel what you are saying but nobody cared about "black-hole block" block with TF or the new Falcons stadium but now its a problem but it is what it is
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