10-19-2015, 09:59 AM
Location: NW Atlanta
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As expected, this thread has turned to utter crap.
10-19-2015, 10:16 AM
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From the perspective of a recent transplant, all this bickering about counties, suburban vs. urban neighborhoods and ITP/OTP is utterly ridiculous and hard to wrap one's mind around. Just so long-time residents and Atlanta natives know, if some don't realize this already, most of this bickering probably makes no sense to newcomers. We view it all as Metro Atlanta, not a slew of various towns and cities with insular and nonproductive turf wars. I live in Cobb County. I don't think or look like many people here apparently think Cobb County residents appear and think. I regularly spend time all over the map, not just within a 3-mile bubble, and truly love the fact that I can traverse the entire Metro and benefit from all the experiences and exposures various parts offer.
10-19-2015, 10:42 AM
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I think most of the people in metro Atlanta have the same view, this move is not a great idea. Those inside Cobb did not get to vote on this and most I know are not fans of it. But they may still go to games or shop there at some point if it is convenient for them.
10-19-2015, 11:01 AM
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I think most of the people in metro Atlanta have the same view, this move is not a great idea. Those inside Cobb did not get to vote on this and most I know are not fans of it. But they may still go to games or shop there at some point if it is convenient for them.
Most people don't like something significant being unilaterally and opaquely decided for them. This can be as routine as it being decided what to have for dinner, as critical as one's career path being scripted (and limited) or as fundamentally pertinent to people's roles as taxpayers and property owners, as in the case of the Braves Stadium. That Cobb County residents did not get to vote, and that the stadium will be on the Cobb Side of 285/75, does not have anything to do with the politics and personhood of the real people who live here. Yet, day in and day out, the usual suspects dominate this forum with their mudslinging and lambasting of an entire county of nearly 800,000 people.
It's really crazy, and I'm just not going to subject myself to it anymore, even as a passive observer.
I'll be coming here less and less. I imagine this theme may be part of the reason there are only just a few active posters on this forum - the ones who take over and derail topics, name-call and are, generally, projecting their stereotypes and preconceived notions on an entire swath of the population.
It's like they can't see the good in any progress, unless it's in their zip code.
Crazy.
10-19-2015, 11:02 AM
Location: Atlanta
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From the perspective of a recent transplant, all this bickering about counties, suburban vs. urban neighborhoods and ITP/OTP is utterly ridiculous and hard to wrap one's mind around. Just so long-time residents and Atlanta natives know, if some don't realize this already, most of this bickering probably makes no sense to newcomers. We view it all as Metro Atlanta , not a slew of various towns and cities with insular and nonproductive turf wars. I live in Cobb County. I don't think or look like many people here apparently think Cobb County residents appear and think. I regularly spend time all over the map, not just within a 3-mile bubble, and truly love the fact that I can traverse the entire Metro and benefit from all the experiences and exposures various parts offer.
The bolded x1000 !!!
10-19-2015, 11:18 AM
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Most people don't like something significant being unilaterally and opaquely decided for them. This can be as routine as it being decided what to have for dinner, as critical as one's career path being scripted (and limited) or as fundamentally pertinent to people's roles as taxpayers and property owners, as in the case of the Braves Stadium. That Cobb County residents did not get to vote, and that the stadium will be on the Cobb Side of 285/75, does not have anything to do with the politics and personhood of the real people who live here. Yet, day in and day out, the usual suspects dominate this forum with their mudslinging and lambasting of an entire county of nearly 800,000 people.
Hear, hear. Preach it, momma!
10-19-2015, 12:33 PM
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Excellent, really provides much needed perspective.
10-21-2015, 02:19 AM
Location: Georgia native in McKinney, TX
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Most people don't like something significant being unilaterally and opaquely decided for them. This can be as routine as it being decided what to have for dinner, as critical as one's career path being scripted (and limited) or as fundamentally pertinent to people's roles as taxpayers and property owners, as in the case of the Braves Stadium. That Cobb County residents did not get to vote, and that the stadium will be on the Cobb Side of 285/75, does not have anything to do with the politics and personhood of the real people who live here. Yet, day in and day out, the usual suspects dominate this forum with their mudslinging and lambasting of an entire county of nearly 800,000 people.
And this is the view of the majority of people I know inside and outside the perimeter. In my years in Cobb, I never heard of this ITP vs OTP mindset. This site is either a magnet for the few or things have drastically changed since I left.
I take the OTP argument just to counter some of the insane things I see posted on here by ITPers. I love the city of Atlanta. I was born ITP. I wish every part of it would prosper. I have no us vs. them bone in my body.
Fact is, I was there when the Olympics came, the new Turner Field was born out of the Olympic Stadium and all the promises and dreams made that Summerhill would become a vibrant community around the ballpark. The opposite happened. It got seedier. I still wish that all major sports teams were downtown, but the Braves made a good decision to go somewhere where the local government would allow them the freedom to develop the area around the park. Some might not like that decision, but I don't see how anyone can blame them.
10-21-2015, 05:19 AM
Location: Ono Island, Orange Beach, AL
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And this is the view of the majority of people I know inside and outside the perimeter. In my years in Cobb, I never heard of this ITP vs OTP mindset. This site is either a magnet for the few or things have drastically changed since I left.
Amen.
10-21-2015, 05:20 AM
Location: Kirkwood
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And this is the view of the majority of people I know inside and outside the perimeter. In my years in Cobb, I never heard of this ITP vs OTP mindset. This site is either a magnet for the few or things have drastically changed since I left.
I find it odd, that the Braves organization had a long list of demands for Turner Field development, yet those demands have not been applied to Atlanta Battery.
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Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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