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Old 05-07-2019, 02:28 PM
 
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Unless you're old money and you drive one of these:










And have had it since new...
Respect...... But we're going to have to agree to disagree.
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Old 05-07-2019, 04:32 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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We have a Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit and it is brilliant and no foreign make can match it. I also drive a Dodge Charger hellcat and no foreign make can compete with it either.
Probably have a Hemi in the GC?
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Old 05-07-2019, 05:42 PM
 
Location: Alaska
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I guess you don’t look at sales numbers of sedans do you, like others like you, you just don’t want to believe that sedans are not selling.
Yes, it is true that sedan sales are down across the board.

However, it is also true, that the overwhelming majority of sedans sold, are sold by the European and Asian manufacturers.

The other truth is the American manufacturers don't really have an answer other than concede the market and sell pickups.

That's truly sad and pathetic.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:15 PM
 
Location: Naples FL
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Yes, it is true that sedan sales are down across the board.

However, it is also true, that the overwhelming majority of sedans sold, are sold by the European and Asian manufacturers.

The other truth is the American manufacturers don't really have an answer other than concede the market and sell pickups.

That's truly sad and pathetic.
This is the absolute truth of the current state of affairs with the domestic automakers.... and the insane thing is that they have competitive sedans in OS markets. GM in particular has been pathological in its consistent failures in virtually every market segment.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Yes, it is true that sedan sales are down across the board.

However, it is also true, that the overwhelming majority of sedans sold, are sold by the European and Asian manufacturers.

The other truth is the American manufacturers don't really have an answer other than concede the market and sell pickups.

That's truly sad and pathetic.
But sedans are down for the European makers and Asians. In fact Ford is helping VW to build a pickup for sale in Europe. Americans don’t want sedans and the proof is in the numbers.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:34 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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I guess you don’t look at sales numbers of sedans do you, like others like you, you just don’t want to believe that sedans are not selling.
They sell if you give 'em away.
My wife (like most women, it seems) wanted a CUV until I showed her how much sedan you can get for equivalent CUV money.
She saw the light...
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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Yes, it is true that sedan sales are down across the board.

However, it is also true, that the overwhelming majority of sedans sold, are sold by the European and Asian manufacturers.

The other truth is the American manufacturers don't really have an answer other than concede the market and sell pickups.

That's truly sad and pathetic.
So you want them to make cars nobody’s buying? They’re conceding a failing platform and selling a profitable one. The German’s on the other hand conceded the pickup market.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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This is the absolute truth of the current state of affairs with the domestic automakers.... and the insane thing is that they have competitive sedans in OS markets. GM in particular has been pathological in its consistent failures in virtually every market segment.
And that’s why GM made a profit in the first quarter because of their strong pickup sales, so i guess GM doesn’t know what they are doing.
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:39 PM
 
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And that’s why GM made a profit in the first quarter because of their strong pickup sales, so i guess GM doesn’t know what they are doing.
Body-on-frame is the name of the game!
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Old 05-07-2019, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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But remember, manufacturers have a limited amount of factory capacity...
they can only build a certain number of vehicles in a year.

Why would they keep building slow-selling low-profit-margin sedans if a plant could be converted
to building more profitable SUVs and trucks?
Manufactures can make as many vehicles as they want their assembly plants can just keep on making them so space is not the problem. Some plants are running 3 shifts to meet the demand look at Fords Ranger assembly plant.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/ford...ranger-demand/
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