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That's the kind of information I wish were on a sticker - or readily available (maybe it is & I just don't know where/how to look).
That's on a Tesla, IIRC, right? Would you say that is City driving or Highway or Combined?
That would likely be combined.
The way I look at it is my Model X has 100Kw battery size and that has a 295 miles combined rating - so at $0.102/kw, costs $10 to fill in CA and at $0.050/kw costs $5 to fill in NV to go just under 300 miles. My DWs has a 80Kw battery so it costs $8 to fill in CA and $4 to fill in NV to get 310 miles combined rating.
Or another way is my Model X gets about 3 miles per Kw and DWs Model 3 gets about 4 miles per Kw - so can get rough cost per mile pretty easily. With that Model X would be $0.034/mile in CA and $0.017/mile in NV and Model 3 would be $0.025 in CA and $0.012 in NV. So 200 miles in Model X would be $6.80 in CA and $3.40 in NV and in Model 3 would be $5.00 in CA and $2.40 in NV.
To get actual cost, they do not make it that easy though - they give MPGe ratings but you need to do a basic conversion to get the cost on EVs. There is a sticker on EVs with the MPGe listed - the city rating is higher than highway because of electrical regeneration during braking. To get the cost based on the MPGe ratings, you need to know that the EPA MPGe measurement uses one gallon of eGas equals 33.7 kWh of electricity. So take 33.7 and multiply by your cost per Kw to get the cost per gallon of eGas.
EVs may sell more every year in the US, but not to a great number. Something needs to be done about the expensive EVs due to parts and supply chain issues. Perhaps we can start with the batteries since that is a huge problem or will be:
This is just one partial metric.
One also needs to consider the total ownership cost of car A vs. car B.
Say car A costs $20,000 more upfront than car B.
At $4/gal (today average in my state), a person can drive car B for over 125,000 miles for "free" (considering 25mpg which is average for new sedans & SUVs) before comparing the MPG between the cars.
Actually you can look at true cost to own (TCO) that was done by Edmunds and total cost of onership (also TCO) done by KBB - they show that the TCO of the Model 3 is about 20% less than the equivalent BMW 3, Audi A4 and MB C. They also show that the cost of all these vehicles is essentially the same when equipped similarly - the Tesla is not $20K more.
Combined. Highway is less than city in EV's, just FYI.
It's easier to figure out than you'd realize though. The average is going to be roughly 4 miles per Kwh. My car averages less because it's a performance model, but thankfully my electric is on the cheaper side so it balances out.
So for a good rough estimate, just get your per kwh cost and divide it by 4 for a cost per mile. Or, figure out how many Kwh you get for $5 and go from there.
My stop and go with red lites every 200 ft pete make it better for my EV as it never see's over 45mph 99% of the time.
EVs may sell more every year in the US, but not to a great number. Something needs to be done about the expensive EVs due to parts and supply chain issues. Perhaps we can start with the batteries since that is a huge problem or will be:
Why is the battery a huge problem for replacement - most EV batteries are expected to last the life of the vehicle with most projected to last 250-300K miles and some now projected to last over 500K miles.
I hope it wasn't ragged out with only 60k miles on it.
Must of have been if the batt died. Anything over 40k is time to buy new or anything 7 years or older i won't touch. My dream would be to see GM make a new C6 Vette just like my 2013 C6 was before they went to the crap C7 with the bad A8 trans and rear ends and dumb 4-8 banger mode. I just won't buy gas if it is over $3.20 a gal so i am stuck in EV land till the end it looks like.
Why is the battery a huge problem for replacement - most EV batteries are expected to last the life of the vehicle with most projected to last 250-300K miles and some now projected to last over 500K miles.
Can’t build them fast enough and they are getting too expensive to make them as well. Can’t mass produce EVs and can’t get mass adoption with these kinds of issues.
Here's the metric I wish were on the window sticker of new cars - a way to compare the distance you can travel on $5 of gasoline vs. the distance you can travel on $5 of electricity. Ideally, there would be such comparisons: city, highway, and combined.
California gasoline is 46.8% higher than South Carolina, and that represents the extrema on July 19,2022
California residential electricty is 255% times the rate of Idaho, and that represents the extrema for CONUS on July 19,2022
Hawaii residential electricty is 432% times the rate of Idaho, and that represents the extrema for all of US on July 19,2022
California residential electricity rates between 5 and 8 PM in the four summer months is much higher than Hawaii.
So the fuel economy website calculates the cost for driving 15,000 miles using the national average price of gas, and obviously that is going to be off in California and South Carolina, but not nearly as much as using the national average price of electricity. In addition the price at public chargers, particularly using high speed chargers can be much different from residential rates.
But where I live in Pennsylvania I pay 12.36 cents per kWh at my home. That means for $5 I can purchase 40.46 kWh of electricity. A Chevy Bolt requires 28 kWh to drive 100 miles on average, so my $5 will get me 144.5 miles of range. It would take 5.7 gallons of gasoline for an average 2021 gasoline vehicle (25.34 mpg) to drive for 144.5 miles.
The least expensive electric vehicle is a standard Nissan LEAF which is under $20,000 if you calculate the $7500 refund on your taxes. However, at 151 miles of range a standard LEAF is almost useless on an out of town trip. But most peole would save so much money on gasoline driving around town that they could easily rent a gasoline car for longer trips and probably still come out ahead for the year. Almost nobody does that however, so Nissan will probably stop selling the LEAF in the next few years.
A friend of mine just too delivery of his new Tesla S Plaid last week. Can't wait to get a ride in it.
I like the Teslas, but this car is flat out dangerous with its power. I hope you trust your friend’s abilities to drive reasonably.
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