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Old 02-23-2021, 06:09 AM
 
Location: London
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Here, it’s acid rain from big coal plants that kills trees in other downwind states. It’s not just lungs. It also is pretty rough on the paint job on cars.
Forty years ago acid rain emanating in the UK was blowing over Sweden then dropping into the lakes, poisoning life. The UK denied it, however they went on a programme of natural gas conversion of coal power plants - not for Sweden's sake, but because Thatcher wanted to kill the mining industry. She used up most of the gas reverses in the North Sea, rather than fit in advanced scrubber stacks.

Nevertheless, the problem cleared up in Sweden. The UK has about three or four coal fired stations left which are to be decommissioned in the next few years. Gas is used heavily in industry. Sweden uses gas only on the west coast around Malmo and Gothenburg, mainly for industry and district heating. The rest to use electric heat pumps a lot in well sealed, well insulated houses, even near the Arctic circle.

 
Old 02-23-2021, 06:30 AM
 
Location: London
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Just out. Worth looking at, which also answers the many myths mention on this forum:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Den_4COV1zk

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Old 02-23-2021, 07:15 AM
 
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I'm sure electric vehicles are going to become more commonplace. I daresay I will own one next day, most likely the next car.

But given the mass shift to WFH, which for me is now permanent, I only drive about 5-6k miles a year. I have a Subaru Outback. I could keep that car going for another 20 years without a problem. There's no incentive to shift to an electric vehicle any sooner than I absolutely have to because my car costs are so low given that I fill up the tank barely every 4-5 weeks, if that.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 07:25 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Electric Vehicles Close to ‘Tipping Point’ of Mass Adoption

Starting to look that way. No, it won't be 100% and ICE motors won't be extinct. But the train has left the station and it ain't coming back; automakers are just about fully invested in EV's now.

"Global sales rose 43% in 2020, but even faster growth is anticipated when continuing falls in battery prices bring the price of electric cars dipping below that of equivalent petrol and diesel models, even without subsidies. The latest analyses forecast that to happen some time between 2023 and 2025."

When "peak oil" happens it won't be due to declining production, it'll be from declining demand.
The transition is happening fast now. We need the utilities to increase the grid capacity nation-wide and more batteries produced worldwide as well.

We have a Tesla Model y with a stated range of 326 miles which it won't come close to in high speed highway driving. Need about 50% increase in range and 20% less expensive to kill off ICE.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 08:22 AM
 
Location: London
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I only drive about 5-6k miles a year.
In three months I have driven 181 miles because of lockdown.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 08:27 AM
 
Location: London
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The transition is happening fast now. We need the utilities to increase the grid capacity nation-wide and more batteries produced worldwide as well.

We have a Tesla Model y with a stated range of 326 miles which it won't come close to in high speed highway driving. Need about 50% increase in range and 20% less expensive to kill off ICE.
Some EVs have 425 miles range. Range is nota problem now. Solid state batteries are a game changer. Once they are fully online in all EVs, it is bye bye ICE cars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G01xv1RyRVw
 
Old 02-23-2021, 09:15 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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In three months I have driven 181 miles because of lockdown.
I have driven more than that in the past week. Everyone around here is mostly back to work.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 09:47 AM
 
Location: London
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I have driven more than that in the past week. Everyone around here is mostly back to work.
I hope it stays that way. We relaxed the lockdown, then infections went up.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Some EVs have 425 miles range. Range is nota problem now. Solid state batteries are a game changer. Once they are fully online in all EVs, it is bye bye ICE cars.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G01xv1RyRVw
We routinely take 2500-3000Km trips so for us, I wouldn't say that range is not a problem yet. We also have a camper that we haul on trips and I hope that the Cybertruck can do such things but I don't think so yet.

As far as solid state batteries go, lots of promise but lots of challenges to bring them to market at a reasonable cost, with longevity and other issues....but I hope this will advance the EV landscape as well.

For our routine daily needs, our Tesla Model Y is fantastic and I know it will continue to get better over time.
 
Old 02-23-2021, 04:32 PM
 
Location: London
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When Toyota, VW and Nissan are singing from the same hymn sheet, there is something in solid state batteries. All pundits are saying it is a game changer.
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