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Old 02-22-2021, 01:12 PM
 
Location: London
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when there's a sizable contingent of the population who is loony enough to believe that a shift to better technology is an attack on their personal freedoms.
Economics dictates most matters. Petro fuels will be scarce and expensive, servicing garages will become rare. The used car market for ICE cars will drop like a lead balloon because of it..

 
Old 02-22-2021, 01:24 PM
 
Location: New England
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Our power grid can't handle present demand. Besides you're just moving the pollution to a different source. Id like to slap a little sticker on every electric car that says; "Powered by coal".

Because they are if you think about it.

PS. I forgot to mention the $40,000 Chevy gets from the gubbermint for every Volt they build. I'm pretty sure Tesla gets a generous tax break too.
 
Old 02-22-2021, 01:38 PM
 
Location: Providence, RI
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Our power grid can't handle present demand. Besides you're just moving the pollution to a different source. Id like to slap a little sticker on every electric car that says; "Powered by coal".

Because they are if you think about it.
Even if this were true (it isn't - coal accounts for 20% of the U.S.'s electricity production, and it's on a steep decline), it's still an improvement. First, it's more efficient to have a single powerplant burning coal to power 10,000 vehicles than it is to have 10,000 individual powerplants (ICEs) powering 10,000 vehicles.

Second, "just moving the pollution" off of streets where it's being inhaled by pedestrians and everyone who lives, works, plays, etc. in the area is a victory in and of itself. In cities, it also helps with construction costs - ventilation systems to manage emissions in tunnels, parking garages, etc. is not cheap or easy to build and maintain
 
Old 02-22-2021, 01:48 PM
 
Location: London
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Our power grid can't handle present demand. Besides you're just moving the pollution to a different source.
Not that old one. All the grid organisations say they can cope with existing levels. One refinery in the UK boasted that they use teh same amount of electricity to ,make fuels as the cities of Coventry and Leicester combined. Then the fuel is transported to stations and then used to pollute. So pollution twice. Sending the electricity direct to EVs, not refineries, means no extra capacity needed. Also, charging EVs can be at night when surplus electricity is used.
 
Old 02-22-2021, 01:56 PM
 
Location: London
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Second, "just moving the pollution" off of streets where it's being inhaled by pedestrians and everyone who lives, works, plays, etc. in the area is a victory in and of itself.
A brilliant victory.

The UK has three small coal fired stations left which will be closed in a few years time.

https://gridwatch.co.uk/
 
Old 02-22-2021, 03:25 PM
 
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We can just build lots of coal fueled plants to produce more electricity. lol

This is what is going to make the electric car sell:
Electric car batteries with five-minute charging times produced
https://www.theguardian.com/environm...charging-times
Sorry, no. If it's still faster to drive up and tank up with gas, that's what people are going to do.
 
Old 02-22-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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What people that love the EV are not considering as to when the EV takes over, are not considering that in most of the country people do not buy cars.

Here are the latest figures on vehicle sales (not just cars)

https://automotivemap.com/best-selli...649674810.html
 
Old 02-22-2021, 03:37 PM
 
Location: New England
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Not that old one. All the grid organisations say they can cope with existing levels. One refinery in the UK boasted that they use teh same amount of electricity to ,make fuels as the cities of Coventry and Leicester combined. Then the fuel is transported to stations and then used to pollute. So pollution twice. Sending the electricity direct to EVs, not refineries, means no extra capacity needed. Also, charging EVs can be at night when surplus electricity is used.
yeah, ask the people in Texas how their grid is working out for them.
 
Old 02-22-2021, 04:07 PM
 
Location: In the heights
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Sorry, no. If it's still faster to drive up and tank up with gas, that's what people are going to do.

It's even faster to seldom if ever need to make any special stops to refuel the vehicle which EVs allow you to do if you have a place to charge while parked (at home, at work, at school, at a shopping center, at Walmart, etc.).


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What people that love the EV are not considering as to when the EV takes over, are not considering that in most of the country people do not buy cars.

Here are the latest figures on vehicle sales (not just cars)

https://automotivemap.com/best-selli...649674810.html

Well, isn't that why there are a slate of electric crossovers, SUVs, and pickups being released this year and over the next couple of years?
 
Old 02-22-2021, 06:06 PM
 
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yeah, ask the people in Texas how their grid is working out for them.
The Texas grid problem was caused by deregulation. Providers maximized profit instead of putting resiliency into the grid. The rest of the country does just fine at 0F. Gas fired plants are indoors, not outside.
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