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Old 06-05-2011, 12:13 PM
 
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Jesus himself didn't always fully disclose truth to everyone because he said people weren't ready for it, or it didn't serve a good purpose.

So, again, what good purpose are you hoping to accomplish?
I will tell you once more :

All I am doing is witnessing to the Truth, the outcome is up to God.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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I will tell you once more :

All I am doing is witnessing to the Truth, the outcome is up to God.
By all means, tell the world that God hates all workers of iniquity.

However, all so tell them: He justifies the ungodly.

When they ask how this can be so, tell them:

He also loves all workers of iniquity. That in Christ's Kingdom, unlike theirs, His hate does not preclude His love.
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Old 06-05-2011, 12:30 PM
 
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I will tell you once more :

All I am doing is witnessing to the Truth, the outcome is up to God.

If you aren't willing to examine your motives in spreading that message and then be willing to accept responsibility for whatever potentially harmful impact that message may have rather than passing it off as God's responsibility, I would think that would be raising some warning flags for you.
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Old 06-05-2011, 02:29 PM
 
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One scripture used to really tick me off!
But I see it in a new way & it's one of my favorites now!

It's in Matthew 15, where a Canaan woman pleaded with Jesus to heal her daughter.
Jesus didn't answer her, yet she persisted, so his apostles told Jesus to "send her away, for she crieth after us."
Then Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Yet still, this Canaan woman persisted & worshiped him & pleaded for his help.
Jesus answered, "It is not meet to take the children's bread, & to cast it to dogs."
And she said, "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."
Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

It used to bother me that Jesus would show such prejudice - to refer to this woman as a dog & that he was only to help those of Israel! Yet, when I looked closer, I believe, there's an important lesson being taught here. It's like Jesus was testing her to see if she was keeping one of the greatest commandments... to love oneself, even when others esteem you as naught... and Jesus found that she was keeping that commandment & blessed her for it!

How often, I've tried to get love from others, instead of loving myself, only to be disappointed, because nobody's perfect... & I'm meant & commanded to love myself.
By loving myself, I love God (since the kingdom of God is within) & can better love others.
interesting perspective. Thanks for sharing that.
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Old 06-05-2011, 06:14 PM
 
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Ok , if thats what you believe, then let it go, because I am not changing.

God does not Love everyone without exception, Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Rom 9:13

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
You continue to insist the "hate" means not loved, even though I showed you by scripture that God "hated" those he loved (the beloved of His soul) so you are not siding with scripture, you are siding with Strongs.

You might want to look at the various descriptions of "workers of iniquity" in the Psalms and compare to Romans 3 where Paul uses those passages about "workers of iniquity" to prove that all mankind are sinners. In other words, Paul uses the passages about "workers of iniquity" and applies them to all mankind to prove that all are under sin.
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:37 PM
 
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God doesn't force salvation on people who don't want it.
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Old 06-05-2011, 07:59 PM
 
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Pleroo & Sparrow, thank you!
Your kindness means a lot!
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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One scripture used to really tick me off!
But I see it in a new way & it's one of my favorites now!

It's in Matthew 15, where a Canaan woman pleaded with Jesus to heal her daughter.
Jesus didn't answer her, yet she persisted, so his apostles told Jesus to "send her away, for she crieth after us."
Then Jesus said, "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
Yet still, this Canaan woman persisted & worshiped him & pleaded for his help.
Jesus answered, "It is not meet to take the children's bread, & to cast it to dogs."
And she said, "Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."
Then Jesus answered her, "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."

It used to bother me that Jesus would show such prejudice - to refer to this woman as a dog & that he was only to help those of Israel! Yet, when I looked closer, I believe, there's an important lesson being taught here. It's like Jesus was testing her to see if she was keeping one of the greatest commandments... to love oneself, even when others esteem you as naught... and Jesus found that she was keeping that commandment & blessed her for it!

How often, I've tried to get love from others, instead of loving myself, only to be disappointed, because nobody's perfect... & I'm meant & commanded to love myself.
By loving myself, I love God (since the kingdom of God is within) & can better love others.
This a great way to explain this. The thought had crossed my mind in a vague way before, but the way you explained it is beautiful. Thank you.

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I've clearly shown that the Kingdom of Christ defines "hate" as being in contrast to that which is "loved" supremely.

How many ways can you say it?
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Old 06-05-2011, 08:48 PM
 
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Does God Love all men without exception ?

YES! Absolutely.
There is no human being that God does not love. That is an impossibility, in my opinion, that there would be a human being that God does not love.

Love created us.
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Old 06-05-2011, 10:27 PM
 
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You continue to insist the "hate" means not loved, even though I showed you by scripture that God "hated" those he loved (the beloved of His soul) so you are not siding with scripture, you are siding with Strongs.

You might want to look at the various descriptions of "workers of iniquity" in the Psalms and compare to Romans 3 where Paul uses those passages about "workers of iniquity" to prove that all mankind are sinners. In other words, Paul uses the passages about "workers of iniquity" and applies them to all mankind to prove that all are under sin.
God does not Love everyone without exception, Ps 5:5

5The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Rom 9:13

13As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
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