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Bible is multilevel consciousness guide for for many levels of consciousness beginning with Cain consciousness and ending in Christ consciousness - path of evolution of consciousness, some folk stuck at end range of "scribes and Pharisees" consciousness and are failing to step over over that Agape line, which is needed to cross the 'borders' of the Kingdom.
Paul clearly defined it in 1Cor 2.
It really is, though. Unless you believe in Jesus dying on the cross in a vicarious substitutionary atonement. You don't, do you?
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It is the Good News about God's Holy Spirit of agape love revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus Christ. The Bad News Gospel our ancient ancestors interpreted from what happened to Jesus is the false Gospel. It is not and never was appeasement of God's nonexistent wrath. It was appeasement of our savage ancestors' wrath and ignorance about God with the unmistakably Good News of God's agape love and forgiveness. The twisted primitive Bad News interpretation has lasted far too long, IMO.
And you believe that why? Why do you disregard God's inspired Word to believe the "consciousness" telling you a different message than God's apostle?
"But the person without the Spirit does not receive what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually."
It isn't a different Gospel. It is the Good News about God's Holy Spirit of agape love revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus Christ. The Bad News Gospel our ancient ancestors interpreted from what happened to Jesus is the false Gospel. It is not and never was appeasement of God's nonexistent wrath. It was appeasement of our savage ancestors' wrath and ignorance about God with the unmistakably Good News of God's agape love and forgiveness. The twisted primitive Bad News interpretation has lasted far too long, IMO.
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It really is, though. Unless you believe in Jesus dying on the cross in a vicarious substitutionary atonement. You don't, do you?
I believe Jesus achieved a substitutionary ACHIEVEMENT that none of us were even trying to achieve and most of us even today cannot achieve - "Pefect agape love" (Grace) in His Human consciousness. It is His achievement that relieves the rest of us of the burden of perfection. That is how He saved us.
Punishment is an entirely human concept. There was never anything we needed to be punished for just something to be achieved that we were failing to achieve as humans. So God decided to achieve it for us as a human.
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And you believe that why? Why do you disregard God's inspired Word to believe the "consciousness" telling you a different message than God's apostle? Why would you or ANYONE want to believe that?
I don't disregard anything!. I use those parts of the inspired word that agrees with the True Nature of God as revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus Christ. That is the reason I am a Christian, NOT the Bible that tells us about Him. I love the God HE presents, NOT the one our ignorant savage ancestors present as wrathful and vengeful. I cannot even begin to understand why any of you believe that barbaric interpretation of God or how any of you could possibly love such a God. It is an enigma.
I believe Jesus achieved a substitutionary ACHIEVEMENT that none of us were even trying to achieve and most of us even today cannot achieve - "Pefect agape love" (Grace) in His Human consciousness. It is His achievement that relieves the rest of us of the burden of perfection. That is how He saved us.
Punishment is an entirely human concept. There was never anything we needed to be punished for just something to be achieved that we were failing to achieve as humans. So God decided to achieve it for us as a human. I don't disregard anything!. I use those parts of the inspired word that agrees with the True Nature of God as revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus Christ. That is the reason I am a Christian, NOT the Bible that tells us about Him. I love the God HE presents, NOT the one our ignorant savage ancestors present as wrathful and vengeful. I cannot even begin to understand why any of you believe that barbaric interpretation of God or how any of you could possibly love such a God. It is an enigma.
So then you believed this "consciousness" when it told you of a different gospel.
Why did you believe it? Sounds like you'd probably believe me if I tried to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
I believe Jesus achieved a substitutionary ACHIEVEMENT that none of us were even trying to achieve and most of us even today cannot achieve - "Pefect agape love" (Grace) in His Human consciousness. It is His achievement that relieves the rest of us of the burden of perfection. That is how He saved us.
Punishment is an entirely human concept. There was never anything we needed to be punished for just something to be achieved that we were failing to achieve as humans. So God decided to achieve it for us as a human.
I don't disregard anything!. I use those parts of the inspired word that agrees with the True Nature of God as revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus Christ. That is the reason I am a Christian, NOT the Bible that tells us about Him. I love the God HE presents, NOT the one our ignorant savage ancestors present as wrathful and vengeful. I cannot even begin to understand why any of you believe that barbaric interpretation of God or how any of you could possibly love such a God. It is an enigma.
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
So then you believed this "consciousness" when it told you of a different gospel.
Why did you believe it? Sounds like you'd probably believe me if I tried to sell you the Brooklyn Bridge.
Either you are not reading what I write, are not understanding what I write, or simply don't care what I write. You have your own mind about things and the truth of the matter be damned! This consciousness never TOLD me anything let alone a different Gospel because I never believed in or ever had any Gospel.
My direct experience of this consciousness led me to Jesus Christ and His revelation of God's consciousness (which is the basis for His Gospel). I was actually astounded to learn of the barbaric wrathful interpretation you use as the Gospel and still have no idea how any of you could believe in Jesus and accept or believe it.
Some demon somewhere got a bright idea that he would give somebody a "revelation", through eastern meditation, of a doctrine that denies Penal Substitution but which might even be able to pass for being Christian;
While the doctrine of Penal Substitution is the very gospel by which we are saved; and there is no other way to salvation than to believe in it:
That Jesus died on the Cross in our place as a propitiation ("appeasement of wrath") concerning all of our sins.
Some demon somewhere got a bright idea that he would give somebody a "revelation", through eastern meditation, of a doctrine that denies Penal Substitution but which might even be able to pass for being Christian;
While the doctrine of Penal Substitution is the very gospel by which we are saved; and there is no other way to salvation than to believe in it:
That Jesus died on the Cross in our place as a propitiation ("appeasement of wrath") concerning all of our sins.
This is Satan’s lie, that God was an angry deity, requiring a sacrifice to propitiate his wrath, and merely follows that of ancient pagan gods, rather than the divine Father of Jesus Christ who is full of mercy and grace. In other words, you are trying to work out salvation in and through the law.
This is Satan’s lie, that God was an angry deity, requiring a sacrifice to propitiate his wrath, and merely follows that of ancient pagan gods, rather than the divine Father of Jesus Christ who is full of mercy and grace. In other words, you are trying to work out salvation in and through the law.
It is NOT satan's lie; it is the absolute truth of God by which only a man can be saved.
And no, salvation through the Cross has nothing to do with the law; except that the righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled through Jesus' perfect life and in that He died in my place, substituting His life for my own when I stand before God in judgment.
It is NOT satan's lie; it is the absolute truth of God by which only a man can be saved.
And no, salvation through the Cross has nothing to do with the law; except that the righteous requirements of the law are fulfilled through Jesus' perfect life and in that He died in my place, substituting His life for my own when I stand before God in judgment.
Thus showing you do not understand the law
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