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Old 08-06-2021, 11:33 AM
 
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Likewise. You believe you experienced a consciousness and you want us to believe you, denying the presence of human error, misinterpretation, and the assignment of human beliefs and failings.
I'm sorry. I have no reason to believe you over any of the Biblical authors.
I am NOT asking you to believe ME. I am asking you to believe what Jesus unambiguously demonstrated about God's True Nature and Holy Spirit of agape love over what our ancestors' interpreted as the result of God's wrath and need to be appeased.

That misinterpretation was the result of our ancestors' primitive belief that God is wrathful and vengeful and that every negative consequence is imposed on us by God's non-existent wrath (according to Jesus's example).
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Old 08-06-2021, 11:55 AM
 
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I am NOT asking you to believe ME. I am asking you to believe what Jesus unambiguously demonstrated about God's True Nature and Holy Spirit of agape love over what our ancestors' interpreted as the result of God's wrath and need to be appeased.

That misinterpretation was the result of our ancestors' primitive belief that God is wrathful and vengeful and that every negative consequence is imposed on us by God's non-existent wrath (according to Jesus's example).
I don't believe it was Jesus. You have yet to explain why you would.
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Old 08-06-2021, 12:10 PM
 
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I don't believe it was Jesus. You have yet to explain why you would.
I have explained it multiple times. BECAUSE my experience of God matches EXACTLY THE GOD JESUS REVEALED ON THE CROSS, not the wrathful vengeful one our ancestors believed in.
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Old 08-06-2021, 12:21 PM
 
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I have explained it multiple times. BECAUSE my experience of God matches EXACTLY THE GOD JESUS REVEALED ON THE CROSS, not the wrathful vengeful one our ancestors believed in.
So you believed what some stranger told you? Why?

Nevermind the fact that you had to actually believe the Bible and its account of Jesus on the cross in order to make that claim.
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Old 08-06-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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So you believed what some stranger told you? Why?
Nevermind the fact that you had to actually believe the Bible and its account of Jesus on the cross in order to make that claim.
Where the hell do you get the things you seem to think I have said. There was no stranger telling me anything! I believe the Bible account of Jesus on the Cross BECAUSE it EXACTLY matches the consciousness of God I encountered in deep meditation. That was no stranger!!!
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Old 08-06-2021, 01:03 PM
 
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I have explained it multiple times. BECAUSE my experience of God matches EXACTLY THE GOD JESUS REVEALED ON THE CROSS, not the wrathful vengeful one our ancestors believed in.
That's brain priming Mystic.
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Old 08-06-2021, 01:15 PM
 
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Where the hell do you get the things you seem to think I have said. There was no stranger telling me anything! I believe the Bible account of Jesus on the Cross BECAUSE it EXACTLY matches the consciousness of God I encountered in deep meditation. That was no stranger!!!
So you believed the Bible....at least in the place it talks about what you want to believe about Jesus?

But not the rest of the book that you claim is written by primitive barbarians? Weird.

How do you know this consciousness should be believed. The same Bible tells us not to believe any messenger with a different Gospel.
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Old 08-06-2021, 01:35 PM
 
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So you believed the Bible....at least in the place it talks about what you want to believe about Jesus?

But not the rest of the book that you claim is written by primitive barbarians? Weird.

How do you know this consciousness should be believed. The same Bible tells us not to believe any messenger with a different Gospel.
If you believe in eternal punishment/damnation, then it is you who believes a different gospel which is not good news. You are merely following the ignorance of the Greek and Egyptians with their false ideologies of an underworld that you call HELL.
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Old 08-06-2021, 01:48 PM
 
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So you believed the Bible....at least in the place it talks about what you want to believe about Jesus?

But not the rest of the book that you claim is written by primitive barbarians? Weird.

How do you know this consciousness should be believed. The same Bible tells us not to believe any messenger with a different Gospel.
It isn't a different Gospel. It is the Good News about God's Holy Spirit of agape love revealed and unambiguously demonstrated by Jesus Christ. The Bad News Gospel our ancient ancestors interpreted from what happened to Jesus is the false Gospel. It is not and never was appeasement of God's nonexistent wrath. It was appeasement of our savage ancestors' wrath and ignorance about God with the unmistakably Good News of God's agape love and forgiveness. The twisted primitive Bad News interpretation has lasted far too long, IMO.

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Old 08-06-2021, 01:53 PM
 
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So you believed the Bible....at least in the place it talks about what you want to believe about Jesus?

But not the rest of the book that you claim is written by primitive barbarians? Weird.

How do you know this consciousness should be believed. The same Bible tells us not to believe any messenger with a different Gospel.
Bible is multilevel consciousness guide for for many levels of consciousness beginning with Cain consciousness and ending in Christ consciousness - path of evolution of consciousness, some folk stuck at end range of "scribes and Pharisees" consciousness and are failing to step over over that Agape line, which is needed to cross the 'borders' of the Kingdom.
Paul clearly defined it in 1Cor 2.
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