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Old 08-07-2021, 12:32 PM
 
Location: minnesota
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The followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, and others all said the same thing.

They believed it because their hearts told them it was true.
What is telling you that your beliefs are true? Also, I think both of those guys were literalists and very very Christain.
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Old 08-07-2021, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Canada
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What is telling you that your beliefs are true? Also, I think both of those guys were literalists and very very Christain.
lol yup and what I find ironic coming from BF is even through scriptures say Jesus came to save the world JB reject those scripture for a belief that He only came to save the elect, and yet he is all over mystic for rejecting scripture he does not believe is scripture.
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Old 08-07-2021, 12:39 PM
 
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The followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, and others all said the same thing.
They believed it because their hearts told them it was true.
Those guys believed pretty much the same things you do, BF. It was my EXPERIENCE, not my heart that brought me to Jesus. Why do you keep getting that wrong, BF???
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Old 08-07-2021, 12:42 PM
 
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When I first read of mystics experience I was a little skeptical myself, but the simple fact is while mystic came to his revelation through his experience I came to a lot of the same conclusions he does through the study of scripture, so for other to say what mystic believes is not scriptural just tells me they do not understand the scriptures or more likely don't understand what mystic is trying to get across. Me and mystic do have our differences in understanding but we both stand on the ground that we are to listen only to what Jesus said and did over the words and thoughts of any man whether that man be Moses or Elijah. And yes that IS scriptural.
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Old 08-07-2021, 01:13 PM
 
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Why do you believe that? There is no shortage of men in history that have made that claim and have been shown to be crazy, or liars, or simply mistaken.
Paul said so, many years of my own experience lead me to conclusion that Paul (and Christ Jesus) was right, there a state if spiritual development that that almost everyone passes through described in 2Cor 2:14. this state can be temporary or almost permanent if wrong beacons (like false prophets encountered). 12"For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the basic principles of the oracles of God. You need milk, not solid food,"
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:09 PM
 
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What is telling you that your beliefs are true? Also, I think both of those guys were literalists and very very Christain.
God's Word.
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:11 PM
 
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Those guys believed pretty much the same things you do, BF. It was my EXPERIENCE, not my heart that brought me to Jesus. Why do you keep getting that wrong, BF???
Not even close. The fact that you can't understand that is mind-boggling.

And again. We know that "EXPERIENCE" is not dependable. Ask any detective, they'll tell you eye witness is the worst kind of proof. What you experienced is subjective, and suspect.
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:20 PM
 
Location: New Zealand
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Not even close. The fact that you can't understand that is mind-boggling.

And again. We know that "EXPERIENCE" is not dependable. Ask any detective, they'll tell you eye witness is the worst kind of proof. What you experienced is subjective, and suspect.
But in the Scriptures we see that there is a progression from the written/objective to the vocal/subjective and life is totally about experiences

2 Corinthians 3 is speaking of this transition from letter/Law to Spirit/liberty

What we are to do is endeavour/try to understand putting “things” into their proper context, layer, relationship, etc
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:31 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Not even close. The fact that you can't understand that is mind-boggling.

And again. We know that "EXPERIENCE" is not dependable. Ask any detective, they'll tell you eye witness is the worst kind of proof. What you experienced is subjective, and suspect.
Then, that makes your biblical eye-witnesses of the resurrection the worst kind of proof?
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Old 08-07-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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But in the Scriptures we see that there is a progression from the written/objective to the vocal/subjective and life is totally about experiences
No. We don't.

Scripture tells us that the heart is deceitfully wicked. And that we should not deviate from the gospel that the apostles preached.
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2 Corinthians 3 is speaking of this transition from letter/Law to Spirit/liberty
No. It really isn't.
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What we are to do is endeavour/try to understand putting “things” into their proper context, layer, relationship, etc
If an experience contradicts Scripture, then it's wrong.
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