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Old 08-20-2021, 07:08 AM
 
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He embraces the teachings of Jesus along with others. But I didn't say he was a Christian. He said many people are unconscious, operating out of the egoic state. Especially those who harm others.
Why would you be quoting him, then, as if he's some kind of authority on Jesus?
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Old 08-20-2021, 10:41 AM
 
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Why would you be quoting him, then, as if he's some kind of authority on Jesus?
He probably knows the bible better than you do, lol.

However, all I said about Tolle is that he refers to those who follow the ego, including evil people, as unconscious. There are a lot of people who aren't Christian who believe in the teachings of Jesus.
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Old 08-20-2021, 11:29 AM
 
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He probably knows the bible better than you do, lol.
You'll forgive me if I doubt that. I'm not sure you're really one to judge Biblical knowledge. After all, you take Luke 17 as suggesting that Heaven is in our hearts.
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However, all I said about Tolle is that he refers to those who follow the ego, including evil people, as unconscious. There are a lot of people who aren't Christian who believe in the teachings of Jesus.
You mean where Jesus taught that He is the Messiah who died on the cross? And that He's God?
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Old 08-20-2021, 01:41 PM
 
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I'm not sure you're really one to judge Biblical knowledge. After all, you take Luke 17 as suggesting that Heaven is in our hearts.
The Kingdom of God is "within", or "inside" you. And that is what Jesus taught, said, and what Luke recorded. And Luke did so under divine inspiration.

If you'll read the Gk text, the Gk word "εντος" is being used by Luke and means "inside". This particular Gk word is used only twice in the NT. Both times it means "within" or "inside". Here are it's two occurrences:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (Gk "εντος") you.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within (Gk "εντος") the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

In Mat 23:26, clearly, Jesus is contrasting the "inside" of the cup vs. the "outside" the cup. The Gk word "εντος" simply means "inside". This is indisputable. And there is no reason to translate it otherwise to mean something that it doesn't, either in Mat 23:26, or in Luk 17:21.

Had Jesus meant "midst", the Gk word "μεσου" would have been employed by Luke, rather than "εντος". Luke does use the word "μεσου" in Luk 17:11, a few verses earlier, where "μεσου" means "midst", and also in Luk 2:46, where Jesus is sitting in the "midst" of others. However, "μεσου" is not the word Luke uses in Luk 17:21. Luke used "εντος", having the meaning of: "within" or "inside".

The fact that it is being spoken to Pharisees is irrelevant to the translation of the text. You're simply unable to hear and believe what Jesus said.
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Old 08-20-2021, 02:28 PM
 
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The Kingdom of God is "within", or "inside" you. And that is what Jesus taught, said, and what Luke recorded. And Luke did so under divine inspiration.

If you'll read the Gk text, the Gk word "εντος" is being used by Luke and means "inside". This particular Gk word is used only twice in the NT. Both times it means "within" or "inside". Here are it's two occurrences:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (Gk "εντος") you.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within (Gk "εντος") the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

In Mat 23:26, clearly, Jesus is contrasting the "inside" of the cup vs. the "outside" the cup. The Gk word "εντος" simply means "inside". This is indisputable. And there is no reason to translate it otherwise to mean something that it doesn't, either in Mat 23:26, or in Luk 17:21.

Had Jesus meant "midst", the Gk word "μεσου" would have been employed by Luke, rather than "εντος". Luke does use the word "μεσου" in Luk 17:11, a few verses earlier, where "μεσου" means "midst", and also in Luk 2:46, where Jesus is sitting in the "midst" of others. However, "μεσου" is not the word Luke uses in Luk 17:21. Luke used "εντος", having the meaning of: "within" or "inside".

The fact that it is being spoken to Pharisees is irrelevant to the translation of the text. You're simply unable to hear and believe what Jesus said.
Their minds are blinded by the veil of ignorance over reading the OT. They refuse to use God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness to lift the veil from their hearts and understand. 2nd Corinthians 3:14-17
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Old 08-20-2021, 02:48 PM
 
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The Kingdom of God is "within", or "inside" you. And that is what Jesus taught, said, and what Luke recorded. And Luke did so under divine inspiration.

If you'll read the Gk text, the Gk word "εντος" is being used by Luke and means "inside". This particular Gk word is used only twice in the NT. Both times it means "within" or "inside". Here are it's two occurrences:

Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within (Gk "εντος") you.

Mat 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within (Gk "εντος") the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.

In Mat 23:26, clearly, Jesus is contrasting the "inside" of the cup vs. the "outside" the cup. The Gk word "εντος" simply means "inside". This is indisputable. And there is no reason to translate it otherwise to mean something that it doesn't, either in Mat 23:26, or in Luk 17:21.

Had Jesus meant "midst", the Gk word "μεσου" would have been employed by Luke, rather than "εντος". Luke does use the word "μεσου" in Luk 17:11, a few verses earlier, where "μεσου" means "midst", and also in Luk 2:46, where Jesus is sitting in the "midst" of others. However, "μεσου" is not the word Luke uses in Luk 17:21. Luke used "εντος", having the meaning of: "within" or "inside".

The fact that it is being spoken to Pharisees is irrelevant to the translation of the text. You're simply unable to hear and believe what Jesus said.
Again, it is clear that the kingdom of Heaven does NOT exist in every person.
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Old 08-20-2021, 02:54 PM
 
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Their minds are blinded by the veil of ignorance over reading the OT. They refuse to use God's Holy Spirit of agape love and forgiveness to lift the veil from their hearts and understand. 2nd Corinthians 3:14-17
What actually troubled me, when reading their exchange, was the poster (BF's) audacity to religiously browbeat the other poster (TM) into dogmatic submission for her simply believing and quoting what Jesus said in Luk 17:21. I'm reminded also of Jesus' warning, here:

Mar_9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
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Old 08-20-2021, 02:56 PM
 
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Again, it is clear that the kingdom of Heaven does NOT exist in every person.
That's not what Jesus said, is it.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:06 PM
 
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That's not what Jesus said, is it.
If that is so, how do you explain evil behavior?
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:09 PM
 
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If that is so, how do you explain evil behavior?
The flesh, not the spirit.
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