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Old 08-21-2021, 06:46 AM
 
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What is it that I'm not accepting?

It is most certainly NOT sound doctrine to purport that those who do not have faith in Jesus Christ are born again of the Holy Spirit and have the kingdom of God dwelling within them.

While I am not denying that the kingdom is most definitely dwelling in those who have received Jesus as their Lord and Saviour.
What you're not receiving is what Jesus said. Jesus did not say that the Pharisees were "born again", for if they were they would "see" the Kingdom within.

Jesus said "the Kingdom of God is within you". The Pharisees were unable to "see" the Kingdom and were therefore unable to "enter into" the Kingdom (Joh 3:3, 5). Their inability to "see" the Kingdom within does not negate the existence of that Kingdom.

The Kingdom is not within the "flesh", the carnal nature of man, where the Pharisees were living. But rather in their "spirit", where they did not live, could not "see" and where they could not "enter into". And, the very reason Jesus taught the need to be born again (Joh 3:7).
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Old 08-21-2021, 09:30 AM
 
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What you're not receiving is what Jesus said. Jesus did not say that the Pharisees were "born again", for if they were they would "see" the Kingdom within.

Jesus said "the Kingdom of God is within you". The Pharisees were unable to "see" the Kingdom and were therefore unable to "enter into" the Kingdom (Joh 3:3, 5). Their inability to "see" the Kingdom within does not negate the existence of that Kingdom.

The Kingdom is not within the "flesh", the carnal nature of man, where the Pharisees were living. But rather in their "spirit", where they did not live, could not "see" and where they could not "enter into". And, the very reason Jesus taught the need to be born again (Joh 3:7).
Apparently, he cannot distinguish the difference.
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Old 08-21-2021, 09:32 AM
 
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What you're not receiving is what Jesus said. Jesus did not say that the Pharisees were "born again", for if they were they would "see" the Kingdom within.

Jesus said "the Kingdom of God is within you". The Pharisees were unable to "see" the Kingdom and were therefore unable to "enter into" the Kingdom (Joh 3:3, 5). Their inability to "see" the Kingdom within does not negate the existence of that Kingdom.

The Kingdom is not within the "flesh", the carnal nature of man, where the Pharisees were living. But rather in their "spirit", where they did not live, could not "see" and where they could not "enter into". And, the very reason Jesus taught the need to be born again (Joh 3:7).
It is that inner receptivity and acceptance of the states of mind evoked by the Holy Spirit that edify and soften the heart to see the kingdom within.
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Old 08-21-2021, 09:34 AM
 
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Apparently, he cannot distinguish the difference.
The agitator who knows nothing but how to agitate!
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Old 08-21-2021, 09:39 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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The agitator who knows nothing but how to agitate!
I know, it's your way, no way, or the highway to HELL.
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Old 08-21-2021, 10:16 AM
 
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The agitator who knows nothing but how to agitate!
Sounds like you've got a sore spot, Charlie. You might want to find out why it's so irritated.

Psa 37:8 Refrain from anger and give up your rage; do not be agitated—it can only bring harm. (HCSB)

Kind of a weird translation (HCSB), but I'm goin' with it!


I've got a sneaking suspicion that you've been out in the sun again, layin' fencing!!
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Old 08-21-2021, 10:23 AM
 
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Sounds like you've got a sore spot, Charlie. You might want to find out why it's so irritated.

Psa 37:8 Refrain from anger and give up your rage; do not be agitated—it can only bring harm. (HCSB)

Kind of a weird translation (HCSB), but I'm goin' with it!
LOL, coming from the king where nothing pierces his amour.

I'll pray for your will power and strength to also rest upon me!
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Old 08-21-2021, 10:25 AM
 
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LOL, coming from the king where nothing pierces his amour.

I'll pray for your will power and strength to also rest upon me!
As long as you stay out of the sun, you'll be fine. No more fencing!!! lol
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Old 08-21-2021, 10:43 AM
 
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As long as you stay out of the sun, you'll be fine. No more fencing!!! lol
I've learned something valuable about fence installing at 65, wait till spring or fall!
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Old 08-21-2021, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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I've learned something valuable about fence installing at 65, wait till spring or fall!
Perhaps, you need that caller I.D., where it says: "I've fallen and can't get up!"
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