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Old 08-20-2021, 03:16 PM
 
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If that is so, how do you explain evil behavior?
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The flesh, not the spirit.
old man nature, not new nature or old creature not new creature, which is the same as JJ flesh, not spirit.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:26 PM
 
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The flesh, not the spirit.
And God resides in these evil people? Hard to see.

Regardless, if the kingdom of Heaven is within all of us, it is only activated when we believe, such as what Jesus explained to Nicodemus about being born again.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:32 PM
 
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And God resides in these evil people? Hard to see.

Regardless, if the kingdom of Heaven is within all of us, it is only activated when we believe, such as what Jesus explained to Nicodemus about being born again.
yes, but the flesh is a stronghold that can only be overcome by the spirit.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:43 PM
 
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And God resides in these evil people? Hard to see.

Regardless, if the kingdom of Heaven is within all of us, it is only activated when we believe, such as what Jesus explained to Nicodemus about being born again.
It's already "activated". Look at the Greek word "εστιν", translated as "is" in the text: It's being used in the Gk. present tense, indicative mood. The fact of the matter is that the soul simply cannot "see" or "enter into" that Kingdom within until born of God. The soul lives in the kingdom of the "flesh", until it's born of the "Spirit".

For example: A blind man cannot "see" the sun. However, it does not mean that the sun is inactivated.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:47 PM
 
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It's already "activated". Look at the Greek word "εστιν", translated as "is" in the text: It's being used in the Gk. present tense, indicative mood. The fact of the matter is that the soul simply cannot "see" or "enter into" that Kingdom within until born of God. The soul lives in the kingdom of the "flesh", until it's born of the "Spirit".

For example: A blind man cannot "see" the sun. However, it does not mean that the sun is inactivated.
Eh, OK. We basically agree.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:48 PM
 
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Eh, OK. We basically agree.
No we don't.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:48 PM
 
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No we don't.
Ok, fine.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:50 PM
 
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It's already "activated". Look at the Greek word "εστιν", translated as "is" in the text: It's being used in the Gk. present tense, indicative mood. The fact of the matter is that the soul simply cannot "see" or "enter into" that Kingdom within until born of God. The soul lives in the kingdom of the "flesh", until it's born of the "Spirit".

For example: A blind man cannot "see" the sun. However, it does not mean that the sun is inactivated.
I like the way you put that. I always referred to it as a seed that needs to be watered
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:53 PM
 
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I like the way you put that. I always referred to it as a seed that needs to be watered
It's within the breath of God (Gen 2:7): The spirit of man, the candle of the Lord.
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Old 08-20-2021, 03:59 PM
 
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It's within the breath of God (Gen 2:7): The spirit of man, the candle of the Lord.
agreed

The word breath here comes from the Hebrew word n\eshamah which is rooted in the Hebrew word nasham which means to destroy but also carries the weight of a woman in travail.

this being the birth of Christ in humanity and also shows the destruction of the flesh life.
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