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If God is not just then the murderers and thieves should be allowed to roam free in heaven; they should have free access to heaven because there is no just penalty for their sin and therefore they should be allowed to roam free in heaven.
Good grief, if he wasn't just, he would damn them for all eternity. Get a clue!
The reason why I want to believe in a just God is because I do not believe that it would be expedient for murderers and thieves to roam free in heaven.
"And Jesus said unto (the thief on the cross), Verily I say unto thee, today shalt thou be with me in paradise."
Good grief, if he wasn't just, he would damn them for all eternity. Get a clue!
Again, if they are not born again the sin nature is not dealt with within them. So, they will be adding sin to sin even after they are placed into their punishment.
And therefore they will be adding to their punishment; because they will be adding to that which deserves punishment. And this cannot ever end unless they become born again.
See Hebrews 9:27.
The opportunity to be born again is in this life only; except for those who never in their lifetime received an opportunity to receive Christ.
If God is not just then the murderers and thieves should be allowed to roam free in heaven; they should have free access to heaven because there is no just penalty for their sin and therefore they should be allowed to roam free in heaven.
This is your ignorant HUMAN Justice nonsense. God is not limited to our human capabilities. There will be no sin or problems in Heaven, period. There is no need for your imperfect human justice by punishment! God's perfect justice will balance the scales for all involved, perpetrators and victims alike! God's ways are NOT our ways!
Again, if they are not born again the sin nature is not dealt with within them. So, they will be adding sin to sin even after they are placed into their punishment.
And therefore they will be adding to their punishment; because they will be adding to that which deserves punishment. And this cannot ever end unless they become born again.
See Hebrews 9:27.
The opportunity to be born again is in this life only; except for those who never in their lifetime received an opportunity to receive Christ.
This is your twisted creation denying that there will be no more sin to try to justify a completely unjustifiable eternal punishment! Very creative, but also very wrong! God will not allow sin to exist forever! Why on earth would you ever think such a thing???
Again, if they are not born again the sin nature is not dealt with within them. So, they will be adding sin to sin even after they are placed into their punishment.
And therefore they will be adding to their punishment; because they will be adding to that which deserves punishment. And this cannot ever end unless they become born again.
See Hebrews 9:27.
The opportunity to be born again is in this life only; except for those who never in their lifetime received an opportunity to receive Christ.
Sin will increase, exponentially? We will have to agree to disagree, as you lack comprehension when it comes to the Lake of fire, which is no different than your false HELL ideologies.
This is your ignorant HUMAN Justice nonsense. God is not limited to our human capabilities. There will be no sin or problems in Heaven, period. There is no need for your imperfect human justice by punishment! God's perfect justice will balance the scales for all involved, perpetrators and victims alike! God's ways are NOT our ways!
How, pray tell, will the murderer and thief be free and thus have access to the benefits of heaven if he is still inclined to murder and steal?
His freedom to sin would infringe on the rights of others to not be killed or stolen from.
If he is not free in heaven, is that not an execution of justice?
The reason why I want to believe in a just God is because I do not believe that it would be expedient for murderers and thieves to roam free in heaven.
Because the Lord has ordained that a man cannot appropriate what Jesus did for them except through faith.
This is most basic doctrine, I'm surprised at your ignorance.
oh so it is not about what Jesus did it all about what we do, oh good grief
Sin is not mentioned as something that will not separate you from God, in Romans 8:38-39. See isaiah 59:2. I would suggest that you read Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:46, Mark 9:42-48, and Romans 11:9-10. This is not an exhaustive list of verses that say what I am saying by them; but you should check them out.
sorry for the late response, I have many times, read and understand what these verses mean. first (Isa. 59:2 But your iniquities have separated you from your God; And your sins have hidden His face from you, So that He will not hear). if we willfully sin, Jehovah does NOT acknowledge us. remember he turned his back (sorta speak), on the Israelites, (his people), when they chose to disobey and sin against him. they wasn't dead, they were still living. so their sins was NOT paid.
here at (Romans 8:38,39 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come. nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord). Paul was simply stating to his Spiritual Brothers, to not allow anything to pull them away from Jehovah God and Jesus.
(Matt. 13:41,42, 49) speaks of The Angels gathering those who practice lawlessness. and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth). a furnace is NOT the same as the false teaching of a "HELLFIRE". which is said to be a place beneath the Earth where demons reside. but it does represent FIRE! here at (Matt. 25:46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life”). said NOTHING about a "HELLFIRE." this means total destruction or dead forever. since MANY will be resurrected back to Earth , (1Cor. 15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man).
Mark 9:42-48 speaks of cutting off a hand, a foot ,and plucking out an eye. in order NOT to sins and go into the fire that shall never be quenched where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched if it causes one to sin. (to go to hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched where ‘Their worm does not die And the fire is not quenched). sadly MANY wants to believe that Jesus and his Father created a fiery place for the wicked dead. they don't see or understand the verses or what Jesus and others really meant. this is why we need to be taught accurately. have you ever heard of someone who lost an eye, have no hands or feet, NOT sin? the removal of these parts, won't stop ANYONE from sinning, Jesus KNOWS THIS!
then this verse mentioned "WORM", are there worms in this supposedly fiery place too? Jesus and Jehovah God speaks in a way that we could understand. if they spoke the way they understood, we wouldn't understand. because they speak and think differently than humans. they know that humans understand, FIRE..DESTROYS! Jesus also at times spoke NOT in a literal sense. he knows that he NOR his Father created a fiery place for the dead. because as I post which is clear to understand. Jehovah God said one PAYS for his Sins once he had died, the "wages for SIN IS DEATH." they would NOT says you have PAID for you sins once you died. then turn right around and said...I'm still burning you forever! that's something satan would say and do. just like he has MANY believing this lie. and Jonah already said what "HELL" was to him. a place where he would die, the fish's belly!
if we do research we would see that the word "HELL" replaced the words Sheol and Hades. man said hades is a place of torturing the dead. but then some say it's a place for the dead. NOT a FIERY place! either way, "HELL" is a place for ALL dead, GOOD AND BAD! wicked and Righteous. it's just a resting place for the dead. lastly, (Rom. 11:9,10 Paul is referring to those who would reject Jesus and be stumbled. still this verse also didn't make any reference to a Hellfire or dead being tortured forever. Jehovah speaks of the consequences of adding or removing from his true words. satan tried to have man remove Jehovah's Name from ALL Bible versions. it's NOT hard for him to get man to add or change Jesus true words. you can best believe Just as Jonah didn't use the actual word "HELL" , Neither did Jesus! peace
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Good grief, if he wasn't just, he would damn them for all eternity. Get a clue!
