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But my question is still a valid one... Did Jesus say anything else besides what is recorded in Scripture?
I believe everything Jesus wanted us to know concerning salvation, how to treat others, how to please God, etc. are written in the gospels.
Did Jesus say other things like please, thank you, excuse me, it’s a beautiful day? He probably did. But I trust that the Holy Spirit included everything we need to know in the gospels.
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And those oral accounts were subject to human fallibility and corruption.
No they were not!
2 Peter 1:20
20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture comes from one’s own interpretation. 21For no such prophecy was ever brought forth by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
What you are essentially saying is that you don’t trust the word of God. This allows you to pick & choose what you want to believe and what you don’t.
I believe everything Jesus wanted us to know concerning salvation, how to treat others, how to please God, etc. are written in the gospels.
Did Jesus say other things like please, thank you, excuse me, it’s a beautiful day? He probably did. But I trust that the Holy Spirit included everything we need to know in the gospels.
Thanks.
I see no reason to presume that everything Jesus wanted us to know is written in the Gospels. If that were the case, then why establish a Church? Why appoint Apostles? What about all the people who can't read (which back then was nearly everyone)?
=mtolympus;64716395]Yes, that is very true. Jesus told us to beware of false prophets. But Jesus also told us how to know true prophets. He said, "By their fruits ye shall know them." Why would he say that if there would never be anymore true prophets?
Because there were prophets following the death of Jesus. Men who spoke and wrote through the Holy Spirit: Paul, Peter, Luke, Jude, James, the author of Hebrews and John.
My question for you is how do you recognize a false prophet?
Your hang-up on this issue is unfounded. The priest has always received Communion under both kinds. Where do you find the command that the laity must receive Communion whenever it is offered, and always under both kinds?
If you believe it to be an imperative for the laity to receive Communion every time it is offered, the Eastern rites have never withheld the cup from the laity, and they are just as much Catholic as the Latin Rite.
Your criticism of the sometimes-practice of the Latin Rite withholding the cup from the laity has nothing to do with the validity of the Catholic Church as being One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.
Scripture provides no direction for women to receive Communion under either species at any time. It seems to me that if you are going to stick to the letter of Scripture alone and reject any tradition outside Scripture, then you must bar women from receiving Communion.
Do you know why the Catholics don't make use of those prefilled communion cups that other religions use ?
Your hang-up on this issue is unfounded. The priest has always received Communion under both kinds. Where do you find the command that the laity must receive Communion whenever it is offered, and always under both kinds?
If you believe it to be an imperative for the laity to receive Communion every time it is offered, the Eastern rites have never withheld the cup from the laity, and they are just as much Catholic as the Latin Rite.
Your criticism of the sometimes-practice of the Latin Rite withholding the cup from the laity has nothing to do with the validity of the Catholic Church as being One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic.
Scripture provides no direction for women to receive Communion under either species at any time. It seems to me that if you are going to stick to the letter of Scripture alone and reject any tradition outside Scripture, then you must bar women from receiving Communion.
Many decades after Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection and ascension, Paul wrote to the congregation at Corinth. It’s pretty clear that the Christians in Corinth were taking both the bread and the cup, though in an unworthy manner. It’s ludicrous to think women did not partake of the bread and cup, especially since it was they who prepared the meal (made the bread). We see women everywhere taking an active role in the Lord’s church. The burden is on you, my friend, to prove women didn’t take communion.
1 Corinthian 11
23 For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night He was betrayed, took bread, 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, “This is My body, which is for you;c do this in remembrance of Me.” 25In the same way, after supper He took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.” 26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until He comes.
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against thed body and blood of the Lord. 28Each one must examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the bodye eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.
There is no example of anyone partaking of bread alone in the New Testament.
My criticism of the Catholic Church is well founded. Jesus commanded we take both the bread and cup in remembrance of Him. The cup was removed from the laity centuries ago (as early as 1200). It was restored in 1970 by Vatican 2, but most Catholic Churches still don’t offer the cup to its people.
You should be hung up on this, especially since you are Catholic. You should be demanding your congregation serve the cup, which Jesus commanded. It’s hard for me to understand why this doesn’t make you furious.
There were also oral teachings and as well as scriptural teachings in the mass .
The early Christian’s understood the teachings of the apostolic fathers who received these teachings directly from the apostles themselves .
The only words we can trust as being absolute truth are those which came from God.
Many decades after Jesus’ death, burial, resurrection and ascension, Paul wrote to the congregation at Corinth. It’s pretty clear that the Christians in Corinth were taking both the bread and the cup, though in an unworthy manner. It’s ludicrous to think women did not partake of the bread and cup, especially since it was they who prepared the meal (made the bread). We see women everywhere taking an active role in the Lord’s church.
You are assuming without textual evidence that women were receiving Communion.
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The burden is on you, my friend, to prove women didn’t take communion.
Of course women took Communion. That's not the point. The point is that we don't have evidence from the text of women receiving Communion, nor is it directly commanded by Christ or anyone else in the text.
In order to conclude that women are to receive Communion, you must be appealing to a tradition outside the text itself.
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My criticism of the Catholic Church is well founded. Jesus commanded we take both the bread and cup in remembrance of Him. The cup was removed from the laity centuries ago (as early as 1200). It was restored in 1970 by Vatican 2, but most Catholic Churches still don’t offer the cup to its people.
Your criticism only applies to the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, and not the Catholic Church as a whole. The cup has never been withheld from the laity in the Eastern Rites as far as I know.
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It’s hard for me to understand why this doesn’t make you furious.
My personal feelings regarding any particular practice of the Church are irrelevant. My duty as a Christian is to humbly submit to the Authority Christ has established.
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