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Your criticism only applies to the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church, and not the Catholic Church as a whole. The cup has never been withheld from the laity in the Eastern Rites as far as I know.
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I know firsthand it was withheld in the Catholic Churches in the US.
I don't dispute that the cup has been historically withheld from the laity in the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church. The Latin church is but one of 20+ autonomous churches that make up the worldwide Catholic Church. In the other 20+ churches, the cup has never been withheld from the laity to my knowledge.
Even if I were to concede that the Latin Rite of the Church was being disobedient to Christ's command (I don't), it's irrelevant because the Catholic Church as a universal body has never withheld the cup from the laity.
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Do you take the cup every Lord’s Day?
Have you humbly submitted to the command of Jesus to take the bread AND THE CUP to remember Him. After all, He did establish that rite the night He was betrayed.
This command of Jesus was not directed at me, but to His disciples who were with Him at the Last Supper. The command therefore extends to bishops and priests, who are their successors. Bishops and priests have always consumed communion under both kinds in every rite of the Catholic Church.
I am only required to receive Communion once a year, and the Church in her wisdom has determined that since Christ is alive and cannot be divided, that the entirety of His substance - Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity - is really and truly present in every particle of Eucharistic bread and every drop of Eucharistic wine. Therefore, whenever I receive the Eucharist under the appearance of bread, I am receiving Christ's Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity. Nothing is lacking because Christ is complete and undivided.
I have attended liturgies in the Byzantine and Maronite rites. They practice intinction, and I have received communion in this way.
I have even received communion via intinction in a Latin Rite mass once that I can recall. It is rarely done, but is permitted.
I'm not talking about what you believe, I'm talking about what the Catholic Church believes and teaches.
There is mass every day, not just Sundays.
That's why I'm no longer a Catholic.
I could discuss these things with my mother as she was pretty open minded regarding organized religion.
But my father was a staunch Catholic that never questioned the Church's teaching.
Doesn't make either of them wrong though. Sometimes that's just the way it is regarding Christianity.
It's a matter of whose interpretation that most resonates with you.
I'm not talking about what you believe, I'm talking about what the Catholic Church believes and teaches.
There is mass every day, not just Sundays.
I understand, and I know there is a mass everyday. I used to go when I attended Catholic school, which was right across the street.
Hey Mike, I have no issue with you believing the teachings of the Catholic Church. My objection is when you try to pass them off as coming from God. Call them what they are. Traditions of men. They are not from God. In fact, Jesus made His feelings clear about them in Matthew 15. The Pharisees were notorious for it.
I could discuss these things with my mother as she was pretty open minded regarding organized religion.
But my father was a staunch Catholic that never questioned the Church's teaching.
Doesn't make either of them wrong though. Sometimes that's just the way it is regarding Christianity.
It's a matter of whose interpretation that most resonates with you.
My Mom became Catholic in order to marry my Father who was Catholic, though not practicing. When my sister and I left the Catholic Church in 1977, we began to study the Scriptures with my Mom. She left the Catholic Church once she saw what God’s word said. My Father died in 1970. He was Catholic in name only.
I leave the judgement of him and all Catholics in God’s hands.
There are 45,000 distinct Christian denominations in the world. Who is telling the true story ?
The entire purpose of this thread is to figure out the answer to that question. Of course, I assert that the answer is the Catholic Church.
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