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Old 09-26-2021, 02:09 PM
 
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The divine council does have corrupt members. The nations were given to the angels who then ruled over those nations unjustly. The prince of Persia in Daniel 10:13 was one such angel. No human prince could have withheld the angel to whom Michael, one of the chief princes had to come and help. It is these corrupt angels who are behind the gods of mythology, the gods such as Baal for instance.
And G-d left these corrupt judges in His Devine council?...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:09 PM
 
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According to the NT, He did...
Only if you read it like a literal novel about literal things

But the Scriptures are not be read that way, like we can not take Noah’s ark at face value, or the creation story, or the story of Jonah, etc

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Old 09-26-2021, 02:10 PM
 
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You are against all things Christian. That says it all.
No, I’m against Christians claiming that they have a better understanding of Jewish writings than the Jews themselves...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:13 PM
 
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And G-d left these corrupt judges in His Devine council?...
There is a layering

Eph 6:10**Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11**Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12**For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

The divine council is at a lower level than the highest

But higher than the flesh and blood individual level
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:17 PM
 
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No, I’m against Christians claiming that they have a better understanding of Jewish writings than the Jews themselves...
Goes both ways
The point is that both the individual Jew and Christian are on the same level of having limited knowledge and understanding, and have bias and partiality inbred because of indoctrination

And the scholars themselves also have limited knowledge and understanding because of that same indoctrination

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Old 09-26-2021, 02:19 PM
 
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No, I’m against Christians claiming that they have a better understanding of Jewish writings than the Jews themselves...
Being a Jew does not magically make one an expert of the Hebrew Scriptures. A non-Jewish scholar who has studied the Hebrew Scriptures can certainly have a better understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures than a Jewish person regardless of your opinion on the matter.

And this is now going off topic.
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:20 PM
 
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And G-d left these corrupt judges in His Devine council?...
The time of their judgment will come.
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:22 PM
 
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Goes both ways
The point is that both the individual Jew and Christian are on the same level of having limited knowledge and understanding, and have bias and partiality inbred because of indoctrination

And the scholars themselves also have limited knowledge and understanding
I wouldn’t say it goes both ways...We just are against the way in which christians try to change the meaning of our scriptures, we don’t go about trying to change or alter the meaning of Christian scripture...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:25 PM
 
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Being a Jew does not magically make one an expert of the Hebrew Scriptures. A non-Jewish scholar who has studied the Hebrew Scriptures can certainly have a better understanding of the Hebrew Scriptures than a Jewish person regardless of your opinion on the matter.

And this is now going off topic.
Only if he studies them without preconceived notions...And I’d say being a Jew does, we wrote them...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:26 PM
 
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The time of their judgment will come.
So, G-d’s holding council with a sinful council?...
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