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Old 09-26-2021, 01:55 PM
 
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Your rashi quote actually backs it up.
Yea, but he’s only a Jewish scholar, not a Christian scholar....
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:56 PM
 
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Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 82

1 A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge.


6 I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High."

Verse one is speaking about earthly judges, otherwise, you are stating that G-d’s Devine council is corrupt...

Verse six is addressing those to whom G-d entrusted the Torah, Israel...
yup.
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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As Heiser says, nothing he says is original to himself. He simply pulls together what other scholars have said on a matter. In other words, he doesn't make up anything, but gives the views of scholarship on both sides of an issue.
when the blind lead the blind they both fall into the ditch.
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:57 PM
 
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It is incorrect to look at the gospels as a historical narrative in the past, and this goes for the acts of the Apostles, the epistles, and the Revelation

That was not their purpose, they are inspired writings about the fulfilling of the things written in the Hebrew Scriptures, and need to be understood and interpreted in a particular way


They were not fulfilled in the first century, that was all about setting the foundation, giving the parables, and the timing signs, Peter says that the coming of the Holy Spirit was just the 3rd hour

Act 2:15**For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16**But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17**And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Matthias was chosen to replace Judas

Like Matthew replaces Judah

Mat 1:1**The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Mat 1:21**And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22**Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23**Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1Co 12:1**Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Co 12:2**Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
1Co 12:3**Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:4**Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5**And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6**And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7**But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8**For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9**To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10**To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11**But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The key is to understand the over-laying and interaction regarding spirit and flesh
So, G-d DIDN’T impregnate a betrothed woman?...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:00 PM
 
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So, G-d DIDN’T impregnate a betrothed woman?...
No
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:00 PM
 
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No, you don't, and no it isn't. Rather than explaining it again, I'll just refer readers back to post # 160. Despite Richard's disdain for non-Jewish scholars, Old Testament scholar Michael Heiser explains Psalm 82 quite well.
Eh, no he doesn’t...He is explaining it from a Christian view point...Fact is, 82:6 is not speaking of the angelic council...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:02 PM
 
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As Heiser says, nothing he says is original to himself. He simply pulls together what other scholars have said on a matter. In other words, he doesn't make up anything, but gives the views of scholarship on both sides of an issue.
Yea, Christian scholarship, which has nothing to do with actual Jewish scholarship of Jewish writings...
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:05 PM
 
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Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 82

1 A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge.


6 I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High."

Verse one is speaking about earthly judges, otherwise, you are stating that G-d’s Devine council is corrupt...

Verse six is addressing those to whom G-d entrusted the Torah, Israel...
The divine council does have corrupt members. The nations were given to the angels who then ruled over those nations unjustly. The prince of Persia in Daniel 10:13 was one such angel. No human prince could have withheld the angel to whom Michael, one of the chief princes had to come and help. It is these corrupt angels who are behind the gods of mythology, the gods such as Baal for instance.
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:06 PM
 
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Yea, Christian scholarship, which has nothing to do with actual Jewish scholarship of Jewish writings...
You are against all things Christian. That says it all.
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Old 09-26-2021, 02:07 PM
 
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No
According to the NT, He did...
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