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Old 09-26-2021, 01:42 PM
 
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lol Richard quote a well known Jewish scribe who I would say has a better understanding of his own scriptures then you or your scholars.
Eh, he pulls Heiser out of his butt and I pull Rashi out of knowledgeable JEWISH scholars...Of course Christian scholars are better at explaining a Jewish book than the Jews themselves...
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:43 PM
 
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Back to genetics, I guess that Jesus would be half G-d and half man, Kinda like Hercules, so, does that imply that G-d married Mary?...But, she was already betrothed to Joseph and according to His own Torah, that would be a no-no or adultery...
It is incorrect to look at the gospels as a historical narrative in the past, and this goes for the acts of the Apostles, the epistles, and the Revelation

That was not their purpose, they are inspired writings about the fulfilling of the things written in the Hebrew Scriptures, and need to be understood and interpreted in a particular way


They were not fulfilled in the first century, that was all about setting the foundation, giving the parables, and the timing signs, Peter says that the coming of the Holy Spirit was just the 3rd hour

Act 2:15**For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16**But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17**And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

Matthias was chosen to replace Judas

Like Matthew replaces Judah

Mat 1:1**The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham.

Mat 1:21**And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mat 1:22**Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
Mat 1:23**Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

1Co 12:1**Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.
1Co 12:2**Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
1Co 12:3**Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:4**Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Co 12:5**And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
1Co 12:6**And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
1Co 12:7**But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8**For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9**To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10**To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11**But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

The key is to understand the over-laying and interaction regarding spirit and flesh
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:44 PM
 
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Heiser again?...
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:45 PM
 
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Jewish scribes are well known to argue with each other about the meaning of Scriptural texts.

And scholars certainly have a better understand of the issue than you do.
Oh, so Christian scholars don’t argue?...
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:47 PM
 
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The word of G-d came to G-d’s devine council, right?...That’s what you’re trying to sell to intelligent people who can read and comprehend, right?...Unfortunately for you, I do know what I’m talking about...And Psalms 82 is addressing those who received the Torah from G-d, Israelites, man...
No, you don't, and no it isn't. Rather than explaining it again, I'll just refer readers back to post # 160. Despite Richard's disdain for non-Jewish scholars, Old Testament scholar Michael Heiser explains Psalm 82 quite well.
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:50 PM
 
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lol I guess you could look at it that way, but is the virgin birth what most of Christianity thinks it is.
No it’s not
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:52 PM
 
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It absolutely is. As I've already noted, the English Standard Version correctly translates the Hebrew text of Psalm 82.

Psalm 82:1 God has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
Tehillim - Psalms - Chapter 82

1 A song of Asaph. God stands in the congregation of God; in the midst of the judges He will judge.


6 I said, "You are angelic creatures, and all of you are angels of the Most High."

Verse one is speaking about earthly judges, otherwise, you are stating that G-d’s Devine council is corrupt...

Verse six is addressing those to whom G-d entrusted the Torah, Israel...
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:53 PM
 
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Eh, he pulls Heiser out of his butt and I pull Rashi out of knowledgeable JEWISH scholars...Of course Christian scholars are better at explaining a Jewish book than the Jews themselves...
crazy right
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:54 PM
 
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lol I guess you could look at it that way, but is the virgin birth what most of Christianity thinks it is.
Yea, I’d like to see them explain that one away....
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Old 09-26-2021, 01:54 PM
 
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Heiser again?...
As Heiser says, nothing he says is original to himself. He simply pulls together what other scholars have said on a matter. In other words, he doesn't make up anything, but gives the views of scholarship on both sides of an issue.
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