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Old 10-12-2021, 02:27 PM
 
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To your latter statement, was not Jesus forsaken on the cross?
No.
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Old 10-12-2021, 02:46 PM
 
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The Father.

How then was redemption made possible?
By the achievement of perfection of the Holy Spirit in a HUMAN consciousness and body.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Alabama
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The Father.

How then was redemption made possible?
God the Father forsaking God the Son is an ontological impossibility. God cannot be pitted against Himself. There is no rupture or division within the Trinity.

I believe you and I have already discussed this topic, though probably not very in-depth.

See this post
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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God the Father forsaking God the Son is an ontological impossibility. God cannot be pitted against Himself. There is no rupture or division within the Trinity.

I believe you and I have already discussed this topic, though probably not very in-depth.

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So, there are some Catholics who believe as I have stated, no?

It looks like you debated with Mike, not me. Regardless, thanks for the article.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:11 PM
 
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God the Father forsaking God the Son is an ontological impossibility. God cannot be pitted against Himself. There is no rupture or division within the Trinity.

I believe you and I have already discussed this topic, though probably not very in-depth.

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I’m not implying a rift-the Father and Son were in agreement on the process. It was our sin that caused Christ to be forsaken, so to speak.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:28 PM
 
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I’m not implying a rift-the Father and Son were in agreement on the process. It was our sin that caused Christ to be forsaken, so to speak.
What an utterly preposterous rationalization for what was an obvious ACHIEVEMENT by God as a HUMAN that we could never achieve. Your belief that God has wrath despite its complete absence in Jesus on the Cros is a backhand denial that Jesus was God in human flesh. That is the truly false Gospel.

The real Good News Gospel is that Jesus was God in the flesh and achieved the perfection of the Holy Spirit in His human consciousness that we could never achieve. What an ugly wrathful God you believe in, Jimmie.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:29 PM
 
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So, there are some Catholics who believe as I have stated, no?
I can't say what any individual Catholic may or may not believe. I can only say what the Catholic Church formally teaches and formally condemns; and we as Catholics are required to hold to those beliefs. Of course, not every Catholic follows Catholic teaching.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:31 PM
 
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I’m not implying a rift-the Father and Son were in agreement on the process. It was our sin that caused Christ to be forsaken, so to speak.
But the first person of the Trinity pouring out wrath on the second person of the Trinity is a rift. It's simply not possible. It implies that God the Father is displeased with God the Son, when in fact it's the exact opposite. Jesus experienced the wrath of man, not the wrath of God.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:38 PM
 
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But the first person of the Trinity pouring out wrath on the second person of the Trinity is a rift. It's simply not possible. It implies that God the Father is displeased with God the Son, when in fact it's the exact opposite. Jesus experienced the wrath of man, not the wrath of God.
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Old 10-12-2021, 03:40 PM
 
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But the first person of the Trinity pouring out wrath on the second person of the Trinity is a rift. It's simply not possible. It implies that God the Father is displeased with God the Son, when in fact it's the exact opposite. Jesus experienced the wrath of man, not the wrath of God.
Yes, I agree mike
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