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Old 10-09-2021, 09:47 PM
 
Location: NYC-LBI-PHL
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The dominant interpretation is that God required it to appease His wrath by a blood sacrifice so He could forgive us for "whatever" and save us from Hell or damnation.
Then I agree with you regarding the crucifixion. I never heard of such a thing. As part of the trinity the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. If this belief were true then God would be putting His wrath on Himself in the form of His son.
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Old 10-09-2021, 10:18 PM
 
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Then I agree with you regarding the crucifixion. I never heard of such a thing. As part of the trinity the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are one. If this belief were true then God would be putting His wrath on Himself in the form of His son.
It makes no sense whatsoever but it's all too widely accepted.
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Old 10-10-2021, 05:39 AM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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I never heard of any "wrathful God" interpretation of the crucifixion. Is this some evangelical interpretation? I don't know much about protestantism. The crucifixion was Christ's victory over sin and death. No "wrath of God" involved.
The wrath of God upon Jesus for our sake is Christianity’s most basic belief. Hence why there is a cross displayed in every church, Protestant or Catholic.

Romans 5

9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son.

Isaiah 53

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
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Old 10-10-2021, 12:37 PM
 
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The wrath of God upon Jesus for our sake is Christianity’s most basic belief. Hence why there is a cross displayed in every church, Protestant or Catholic.

Romans 5

9Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him! 10 For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son.

Isaiah 53

4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
There is no justification in punishing the innocent for the guilty. Your penal substitution theory is fallacious.
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Old 10-10-2021, 12:47 PM
 
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There is no justification in punishing the innocent for the guilty. Your penal substitution theory is fallacious.
It is an unbelievably evil concept for a loving God.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:28 PM
 
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...yet we considered him punished by God...

when did you become a Pharisee ?
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:37 PM
 
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when did you become a Pharisee ?
Just reading the scripture.
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:43 PM
 
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Just reading the scripture.
Your favorite verse?
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Old 10-10-2021, 08:54 PM
 
Location: Free State of Texas
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Your favorite verse?
Not interested in playing games with you. If you have a comment on that passage or 5-all’s post, let’s hear it.
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Old 10-10-2021, 09:08 PM
 
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Not interested in playing games with you. If you have a comment on that passage or 5-all’s post, let’s hear it.
So, you consider him punished by God, stricken by him, and afflicted?
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