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Old 07-06-2015, 09:41 AM
 
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Baltimore City police released a statement, saying: "The nature and the
posting of wording in one of our transport vehicles is both concerning and
unacceptable. We have recently become aware of the wording and have begun an
internal investigation to determine all the circumstances surrounding its
placement and to identify the person or persons responsible for its posting.
This is an incident that is being taken very seriously."
Sign inside Baltimore police van under investigation - AOL.com
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Old 07-06-2015, 09:51 AM
 
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Good find, why am I not surprised?
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Old 07-06-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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Good find, why am I not surprised?

This could show intent.

Now the are backtracking
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Old 07-06-2015, 03:53 PM
 
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This could show intent.

Now the are backtracking
That sign was not on the van that FG was in.





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Old 07-06-2015, 04:38 PM
 
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That sign was not on the van that FG was in.
They will probably claim it shows the general attitude of the cops.
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:48 PM
 
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They will probably claim it shows the general attitude of the cops.
yes, that's correct, that sign along with evidence of the number of incidents and lawsuits because of other cases of 'rough rides' will make it difficult to prove that it's an isolated incident
Two more men allege 'rough rides' in Baltimore police van - Baltimore Sun
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Old 07-06-2015, 04:58 PM
 
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Bad business.
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Old 07-06-2015, 05:24 PM
 
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yes, that's correct, that sign along with evidence of the number of incidents and lawsuits because of other cases of 'rough rides' will make it difficult to prove that it's an isolated incident
Two more men allege 'rough rides' in Baltimore police van - Baltimore Sun
"At least five other people or their families have alleged they were harmed in the back of a police van since 1997, with several winning judgments or settling with police. Three were paralyzed by the ride, according to a recent review by The Baltimore Sun."

Unless there's a higher number of incidents than mentioned in the article, 'rough rides' sound more isolated than routine or customary.
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:02 PM
 
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"At least five other people or their families have alleged they were harmed in the back of a police van since 1997, with several winning judgments or settling with police. Three were paralyzed by the ride, according to a recent review by The Baltimore Sun."

Unless there's a higher number of incidents than mentioned in the article, 'rough rides' sound more isolated than routine or customary.
I disagree, 6 incidents that are actually brought to the public's knowledge is highly unusual when they all result from identical circumstances. It is probable that there are other cases that were never reported, or the arrestee died as a result and there was no investigation.(I can't find any statistics for arrest related deaths in Baltimore but according to this article the police are rarely charged when they occur. Baltimore police rarely charged in deaths - Baltimore Sun).

But even if there are no other cases, if I were a juror I would think that those 6 along with millions paid out for other police abuse incidents, the sign inside of a Baltimore transport van, and Baltimore cops coming forward to talk about the abuse clearly demonstrates a culture of police brutality in Baltimore.

(from the article I linked in my post) "A former city police officer testified five years ago, in a case that resulted in a death, that rough rides were an "unsanctioned technique" in which police vans are driven to cause "injury or pain" to unbuckled, handcuffed detainees."

"Over the past four years, more than 100 people have won court judgments or settlements related to allegations of brutality and civil-rights violations."
Freddie Gray Is Only the Latest Apparent Victim of Baltimore Police Violence - The Atlantic

"Det. Joseph Crystal witnessed a handcuffed drug suspect beaten and his ankle broken by a fellow Baltimore police officer. When he was compelled to report it to his superiors, the nightmare started"
Ex-Baltimore cop labeled 'rat' after police brutality claim - NY Daily News
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Old 07-06-2015, 06:24 PM
 
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They will probably claim it shows the general attitude of the cops.
The prosecution will still have to fully prove the second-degree depraved heart murder against Goodson, and just because the one van, that Goodson was not driving, had that sign does not prove squat against Goodson as far as that particular charge against him.

There is even video during the second stop, which Goodson probably didn't realize he was being filmed, that shows Goodson pulling and driving away with no high speeds or jerky motions. His driving in that film shows normal take off, normal merging and normal speeds--that tape will probably be used by the defense.

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That particular charge is against only Goodson and not any other officer. What other officers had done in the past, that had harmed those in the wagons, does not factor in as proof against Goodson for that charge. Only what Goodson himself has been charged with or reprimanded for in the past matters. If he has a clean record of transporting prisoners then that will be brought up and acknowledged.

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