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Old 03-05-2022, 01:42 PM
 
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I have a hard time picturing this. My kids weren't always angels, but they weren't violent or destructive. Something else is going on with that child.
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Old 03-05-2022, 01:46 PM
 
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That kid has genetics on his side. Boxing, MMA or a football career is in his future
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Old 03-05-2022, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Or more likely, back when you were in school, these students weren't integrated into the classrooms. That doesn't mean they didn't exist or that modern society somehow created these disorders.
Well, there were no separate facilities for "behaviorally challenged students" so I don't know how that was handled. But as a whole, schools weren't the same then as now. Heck (to beat a well-beaten horse) society at large was different. Guess you had to be there.
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Old 03-05-2022, 02:28 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Not always. Some kids are just born damaged. My daughter had a kid in her kindergarten class who was also one of my Girl Scouts. From day one, she would trip other kids as they walked past her desk, bite other children, steal their food and throw wild tantrums in class.

Her mother did not abuse her, but the father, who had not been in her life since she was a baby, was mentally ill and must have passed it on to his offspring. The mother was a very nice woman, but not particularly bright, and she had married this man only to find out after they were married that he was actually nine years older than he had told her he was and that he had been in prison. Eventually he was arrested for something again, and she divorced him (the girl remembered meeting her father once as "the guy with the orange hair and the orange shirt"--he was a redhead, and she had visited him in jail). Last she knew, her ex was a homeless person living in an encampment along a river.

All her life since childhood the girl was in therapy, on meds, and had to be hospitalized a few times when she got violent or suicidal. As an adult, the mother had to get a restraining order against her daughter because she was violently attacked and her house was broken into and things stolen. The girl has had a baby with Down syndrome who has been adopted out.

In another case, my ex-husband's sister was stabbed 30 times by her 14-year-old stepdaughter. This kid was not raised in a violent home at all, but I first met her when she was five, and it was obvious that something was wrong. She was a physically beautiful little girl, but when she looked at you with her big blue eyes, they were filled with hatred. It was frightening to see that in a young child. Her older sister was fine, but this kid had a screw loose from the beginning.

As much as we don't want to hear it, some kids cannot be fixed, nor is there always an easy, pat answer for why they are the way they are. In the old days, they were called "bad seeds".

I did have the image of Rhoda Penmark from the movie "The Bad Seed" running through my head as I was reading this!
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Old 03-05-2022, 02:41 PM
 
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I did have the image of Rhoda Penmark from the movie "The Bad Seed" running through my head as I was reading this!
Oh, yeah. And that slightly-off-key background tune of Itsy Bitsy Spider.... absolutely chilling, even to this day.
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Old 03-05-2022, 02:47 PM
 
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Not always. Some kids are just born damaged. My daughter had a kid in her kindergarten class who was also one of my Girl Scouts. From day one, she would trip other kids as they walked past her desk, bite other children, steal their food and throw wild tantrums in class.

Her mother did not abuse her, but the father, who had not been in her life since she was a baby, was mentally ill and must have passed it on to his offspring. The mother was a very nice woman, but not particularly bright, and she had married this man only to find out after they were married that he was actually nine years older than he had told her he was and that he had been in prison. Eventually he was arrested for something again, and she divorced him (the girl remembered meeting her father once as "the guy with the orange hair and the orange shirt"--he was a redhead, and she had visited him in jail). Last she knew, her ex was a homeless person living in an encampment along a river.

All her life since childhood the girl was in therapy, on meds, and had to be hospitalized a few times when she got violent or suicidal. As an adult, the mother had to get a restraining order against her daughter because she was violently attacked and her house was broken into and things stolen. The girl has had a baby with Down syndrome who has been adopted out.

In another case, my ex-husband's sister was stabbed 30 times by her 14-year-old stepdaughter. This kid was not raised in a violent home at all, but I first met her when she was five, and it was obvious that something was wrong. She was a physically beautiful little girl, but when she looked at you with her big blue eyes, they were filled with hatred. It was frightening to see that in a young child. Her older sister was fine, but this kid had a screw loose from the beginning.

As much as we don't want to hear it, some kids cannot be fixed, nor is there always an easy, pat answer for why they are the way they are. In the old days, they were called "bad seeds".
This describes my adopted granddaughter to a tee. Her two younger brothers have similar issues but aren't as severe. Yet. She's adorable and calculating just like the Bad Seed movie. She's injured and killed animals already, been violent to people, suicidal, in and out of psych hospitals since she was 5. It's not all the time, she can be very charming sometimes. And we do love her.

But, please don't blame this on the parents every time. My kids have been trying to keep her and the rest of the family safe for years and it is exhausting and frustrating. There's no good answers for these children. Meds don't work, they're short term. More and more children are having problems and we need help for them.
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Old 03-05-2022, 02:54 PM
 
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Ok! Ok! Ok! Who remembers watching that old movie The Bad Seed? It creeped me out for years. This post reminded me of it. Indeed, some kids can be born damaged.
I'm going to watch that movie this weekend, it's on youtube!
https://youtu.be/p3Z9CiSVmQU
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Old 03-05-2022, 03:18 PM
 
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If a teacher can't handle a five year old throwing something, they should probably find another line of work.
Or maybe teachers should be allowed to teach instead of being expected to serve as glorified babysitters for violent/out of control children.
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Old 03-05-2022, 03:52 PM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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If a teacher can't handle a five year old throwing something, they should probably find another line of work.
Probably lots of other places to work where 5 year olds don't throw chairs around.
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Old 03-05-2022, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Oh, yeah. And that slightly-off-key background tune of Itsy Bitsy Spider.... absolutely chilling, even to this day.

That was Au Clair de la Lune that she was playing.
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