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Old 10-06-2016, 05:15 AM
 
Location: Tampa Florida
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I suspect Trump will start backing out of the campaign pretty soon .. He may be trying to figure out how to claim 'Campaign Bankruptcy' and get a handsome payoff from those he duped. Hey, maybe he could get a Court to require anyone who donated to him, do it again in the settlement?

 
Old 10-06-2016, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Default Clinton Leades Trump in NBC News Poll, BUT

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A recent new NBC News “Survey Monkey” online poll shows Hillary Clinton with a six percentage point lead over Donald Trump.

But polling experts says when it comes to polls, the devil is often in the unreported details. Not mentioned in this article is that substantially more people who identify as Democrats took part in the NBC poll. According to the poll, 26,925 likely voters were sampled. Digging into the methodology and details, 29% (7,808) consider themselves Republicans and 36% (9,693) consider themselves Democrats. The difference of 1,882 means about 24% more Democrats were interviewed than Republicans. Suddenly a 6 percentage point lead doesn’t look as good for Clinton.

An LA Times poll strives to take a more politically-even approach: 25% of its sample is made up of voters who say they voted for Republican Mitt Romney in 2012, and 27% of the sample is voters who cast a ballot for Democrat President Obama. That poll has Trump leading Clinton by several points nationally. But here, too, there are many question marks. What is the political breakdown of the other 48%? Is the idea that Democrats voted for Obama and Republicans for Romney accurate, or did some Republicans cross over for Obama–but will not do so for Clinton?

Which poll is correct (if either one is)? NBC is most likely to be accurate if about 24% more Democrats vote in the upcoming election. The LA Times could be closer to accurate if the turnout breakdown is similar to that of 2012.
https://sharylattkisson.com/clinton-...eavy-nbc-poll/
 
Old 10-06-2016, 06:56 AM
 
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" Republican nominee for president Donald J. Trump has caught up with his Democratic rival Hillary R. Clinton, with both garnering 44 percent of the electorate, according to the national Breitbart/Gravis poll conducted Oct. 4 with 1,690 registered voters."

Breitbart/Gravis Poll: Trump Gains, Now Tied with Clinton 44-44 - Breitbart
Breitbart is reporting that Trump and Clinton are running neck and neck.

Tell me it isn't so.

Could this be a ploy to encourage Trump supporters to double down on their efforts?

Time will tell.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:21 AM
 
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I don't think so.,do you really think that anyone will forget the first debate? I don't think you get a do-over in presidential elections.
You probably won't admit it, even 4 years later, but Romney clobbered Obama in 2012's first debate.


Though Trump might not have the temperament or focus to do what he needs to do to win the next debate, he could easily squash this week's upward Hillary trend.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:33 AM
 
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Though Trump might not have the temperament or focus to do what he needs to do to win the next debate, he could easily squash this week's upward Hillary trend.

Could he get up to speed on issues, for examples?

Could he stop making all the faces?

Could he manage in the town hall give-and-take atmosphere to answer questions in a respectful, thoughtful manner?

We'll see.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Crooklyn, New York
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We already went through the "they are oversampling Democrats" thing in 2012.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:45 AM
 
Location: Middle of nowhere
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New campaign song for Trumps campaign, Free falling.

538 polls plus.

9/26 45.4% chance of winning
10/3 32.3% chance of winning
Still falling.

10/6 26.5% chance of winning.
10 days 19% down.

popular vote Hillary - 48% to Trump 44%
 
Old 10-06-2016, 07:50 AM
 
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You probably won't admit it, even 4 years later, but Romney clobbered Obama in 2012's first debate.]
Correct.

And then in the next debate, Obama leveled Romney. Obama noted that in the Rose Garden, the day after Benghazi, he had labeled it an 'act of terror'. Romney immediately challenged him on this. Obama's response? "Please proceed, Governor."

Romney was digging himself a hole. Obama handed him a shovel and encouraged him to keep doing so. That should have tipped Romney off that he was barking up the wrong tree. But it didn't -- he doubled down, claiming that Obama had not immediately labeled Benghazi terrorism. Too bad for Romney that there was abundant news footage proving him wrong.

But really, the first debate is almost a gimme for the challenging party (the party which does not control the White House).

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The first presidential debate usually benefits the candidate who is running against the incumbent president’s party. In the 10 elections from 1976 through 2012, the challenger has risen in the national polls eight times, according to data compiled by FiveThirtyEight and HuffPost Pollster.
Donald Trump Is In Serious Trouble, Judging From Post-Debate Polls

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Though Trump might not have the temperament or focus to do what he needs to do to win the next debate, he could easily squash this week's upward Hillary trend.
First, there's no 'probably' about Trump's manifest lack of qualifications to be President, including having the temperament of a rodeo clown and the impulse control of a gerbil.

Second, the next debate is town-hall style. That's Clinton's forte - she does much better interacting one-on-one with voters than speaking at rallies, whereas Trump avoids pressing the flesh like the plague because he's lousy at it. The first debate was Trump's golden chance to make a move. He failed, because he still hasn't got it through his self-absorbed head that the general election is a very different animal than the GOP primaries. And the idea that he could 'easily', as you say, win the second debate? That's just chugging the orange Kool-Aid straight from the pitcher.

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We already went through the "they are oversampling Democrats" thing in 2012.
Yes. One lesson of 2016 is that millions of Republicans learned absolutely nothing from the laughably inane 'unskewing' of polls in 2012.

As an aside, pollsters don't sort for party identification because it doesn't matter. In 1984, for example, when Ronald Reagan was crushing Walter Mondale by 18%? The party self-ID by voters was 38% Democrat, 35% Republican - exactly the same as it was eight years later, when Bill Clinton was beating George H.W. Bush by 5%. The electorate swung 23% from 1984, but the party identification didn't change at all.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...t-shouldnt-be/

It's meaningless.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 08:10 AM
 
Location: North America
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Right now HQ polls and state polls are pointing to a reasonable margin for Clinton. GOP leaning pollsters are giving the edge to Trump.
 
Old 10-06-2016, 08:13 AM
 
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Hillary supporters shouldn't be popping their champagne bottles just yet based on polls...Remember these...

Gallup Poll: Romney Leads Obama 52-45

Kerry, Edwards Lead Bush by Double Digits Among Likely Voters

CNN.com - Kerry, Edwards both top Bush in poll - Feb. 18, 2004
Sorry, but polls taken 9 months before the election don't mean that much. The difference between Romney and Clinton is that Clinton has led pretty much the entire time like Obama did. Only a few times did either Trump or Romney pull into the lead. It's certainly possible Trump could win but it's getting into the period where it's becoming a fading possibility.
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