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Old 09-24-2022, 09:12 AM
 
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Tennessee doctors, including Republicans who serve in the legislature, think it could happen-

https://www.wbir.com/article/news/lo...7-48b3ecbac5ee
You're falling for the theater.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:20 AM
 
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Some people cannot debate in good faith. I'll leave it to you to decide who.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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What rare case would a healthy woman with a healthy baby need a medically necessary abortion?

Any examples to support your opinion?

Look forward to your fact-based response.
You are not an obstetrician and neither am I. I do not second guess the doctors. Legislators should not be second guessing the doctors either.

Since you are the one who thinks 38-week abortions are so common, do your own research.

I only advocate keeping the option open just in case it might be needed some day.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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What rare case would a healthy woman with a healthy baby need a medically necessary abortion?:
A healthy mother and a healthy fetus is a situation that can change very quickly. I’ve had a friend have a (very much wanted) late term pregnancy loss followed by sepsis and waiting to get permission from a judge to get the stillborn fetus out of her because the doctor was afraid of going to jail could have easily killed her.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:30 AM
 
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A healthy mother and a healthy fetus is a situation that can change very quickly. I’ve had a friend have a (very much wanted) late term pregnancy loss followed by sepsis and waiting to get permission from a judge to get the stillborn fetus out of her because the doctor was afraid of going to jail could have easily killed her.
If the situation "changes" ... then she's not healthy.

Then her doctor is not a doctor. He's afraid of making a bad decision that will hurt his career and land him in jail, saving the patient is just collateral damage.

I'm also shocked that people don't get that doctors have been OK with killing babies for decades.

How much effort do you think they are going to use to fight saving mothers? They're more concerned with their careers and what the "judge" will say.

What does that say about the medical profession in general?
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:32 AM
 
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You are not an obstetrician and neither am I. I do not second guess the doctors. Legislators should not be second guessing the doctors either.

Since you are the one who thinks 38-week abortions are so common, do your own research.

I only advocate keeping the option open just in case it might be needed some day.
You stated that in rare situations healthy mothers with healthy babies need medically necessary abortions.

Look forward to your fact-based response as to how that happens. Or are you walking this back? Yep. You are.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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You stated that in rare situations healthy mothers with healthy babies need medically necessary abortions.

Look forward to your fact-based response as to how that happens. Or are you walking this back? Yep. You are.
Twist it however you want. A baby in utero can die at any time. It could be aborted, induced labor, or stillborn. (Just one example)

YOU are the person claiming 38-week abortions for a healthy mother and healthy child. Where is your proof that this is happening?
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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If the situation "changes" ... then she's not healthy.

Then her doctor is not a doctor. He's afraid of making a bad decision that will hurt his career and land him in jail, saving the patient is just collateral damage.
The ‘doctor breaks the law to save a patient’ thing is the movies and tv, not real life. Real life is doctors who aren’t legally allowed to do anything until the situation is so serious the odds of death are unacceptably high and they just give supportive care until that high risk point. It’s happening in Poland already and is coming soon to a hospital near you.
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Old 09-24-2022, 09:59 AM
 
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I just watched an MSM story and interview (sorry no link) from inside Indiana

And the woman stated that 63% of Hoosiers are pro-choice.

I hope some of the elected officials take note.

In Kansas nearby they had a referendum on abortion but the interview said Indiana state law does not allow for a referendum on this for state Constitutional reasons.
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Old 09-24-2022, 11:08 AM
 
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Twist it however you want. A baby in utero can die at any time. It could be aborted, induced labor, or stillborn. (Just one example)

YOU are the person claiming 38-week abortions for a healthy mother and healthy child. Where is your proof that this is happening?
Where is your proof that healthy mothers with healthy babies NEED medically necessary abortions?

Note: THIRD TIME I'm asking. What "rare" condition are you talking about?

If you do not believe it happens, then you can happily support restrictions on abortion in healthy women with healthy babies in the third trimester? Since it's not happening, you aren't opposed to the restriction, right?
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