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Old 01-09-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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Hi Pigeonhole,

I'm glad to meet (also at last) a french sharing the same thoughts about France. I guess our place is anywhere but in France...Sad isnt'it ?

Where do you live ?
Best regards
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Old 01-09-2012, 04:05 PM
 
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Hi Pigeonhole,

I'm glad to meet (also at last) a french sharing the same thoughts about France. I guess our place is anywhere but in France...Sad isnt'it ?

Where do you live ?
Best regards
Would you reconsider if Marine LaPen was president?
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Old 01-09-2012, 06:13 PM
 
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France is a wonderful country, which a rich history, ridiculously tasty food, and enjoyable people. I have been there many times, and have many French friends.
It's my opinion that one of the reasons people see the French as "arrogant" is that they have a sharp wit about other cultures and countries, which (I think) French people see as relatively harmless chiding, but comes off as ethnocentric oneupmanship. Additionally, the fact that many French, despite knowing English very well, show obvious distaste at having to speak it to tourists. I have encountered this many times, and find it off-putting; in fact, it's the only country in the world I've been to where people act in such a way. Lastly, although my French language is horrible, when I try to speak it in France I am often openly laughed at; this is closely related, I think, to my first point: They aren't being cruel, but it's just part of the sense of humor. For people with more delicate sensibilities this can be very embarrassing and infuriating.
That being said, if it were possible, I would move to certain parts of France in a heartbeat.
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Old 01-10-2012, 07:34 AM
 
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Would you reconsider if Marine LaPen was president?
I agree with her views about immigration, wich are no different than what american republicans are saying in the us campaign btw, but her economic program is too leftist for me. So the answer is no.

Beside, since when the election of your favorite candidate guarantees you he's going to stick to his program, or even be able to apply it ?
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Old 01-10-2012, 03:18 PM
 
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France is a wonderful country, which a rich history, ridiculously tasty food, and enjoyable people. I have been there many times, and have many French friends.
It's my opinion that one of the reasons people see the French as "arrogant" is that they have a sharp wit about other cultures and countries, which (I think) French people see as relatively harmless chiding, but comes off as ethnocentric oneupmanship. Additionally, the fact that many French, despite knowing English very well, show obvious distaste at having to speak it to tourists. I have encountered this many times, and find it off-putting; in fact, it's the only country in the world I've been to where people act in such a way. Lastly, although my French language is horrible, when I try to speak it in France I am often openly laughed at; this is closely related, I think, to my first point: They aren't being cruel, but it's just part of the sense of humor. For people with more delicate sensibilities this can be very embarrassing and infuriating.
That being said, if it were possible, I would move to certain parts of France in a heartbeat.
I don't know. I've never been laughed at for my accent, and I doubt it's much better than yours.

Also, how do you know they speak perfect English, if you've never heard them?
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Old 01-10-2012, 04:17 PM
 
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Default You mean as "left" as Hitler's "economic program" was?

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i agree with her views about immigration, wich are no different than what american republicans are saying in the us campaign btw, but her economic program is too leftist for me. So the answer is no.

Beside, since when the election of your favorite candidate guarantees you he's going to stick to his program, or even be able to apply it ?
LOL!
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:17 PM
 
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LOL!
What is so funny? I don't know the details of Le Pen's economic program but it wouldn't surprise me if it was very leftist (close to socialism) as that is usually the case with populist parties. They represent the working class, those who are anti-establishment and feel neglected by mainstream politics. You must be American if you think right wing = pro-capitalism by default. Am I right?

Anyway, back on topic: Vive la France
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:28 PM
 
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What is so funny? I don't know the details of Le Pen's economic program but it wouldn't surprise me if it was very leftist (close to socialism) as that is usually the case with populist parties. They represent the working class, those who are anti-establishment and feel neglected by mainstream politics. You must be American if you think right wing = pro-capitalism by default. Am I right?

Anyway, back on topic: Vive la France
"Close to Socialism" ?? It's a far-right party. Just because they are forced to support some things that dosen't seem to fit their ideology, dosen't mean it's anything close to "Socialism". They know they need to get voted into office first, and they know they can't get any votes by telling the people they want to privatize health care and what not.
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Old 01-10-2012, 05:31 PM
 
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"Close to Socialism" ?? It's a far-right party. Just because they are forced to support some things that dosen't seem to fit their ideology, dosen't mean it's anything close to "Socialism". They know they need to get voted into office first, and they know they can't get any votes by telling the people they want to privatize health care and what not.
That is ridiculous. It is a far-right party because of its stance on immigration, not because it is pro-capitalist. This is common sense. Just look at the previous elections and you'll see that the far-right populist party and the Socialist Party draw from the same voter base (if one goes up, the other goes down). If that's not convincing to you, just look at their policy initiatives. In the Netherlands, the PVV (of Geert Wilders) and the SP are the only political parties that strongly oppose raising the retirement age and lowering welfare benefits, and also strongly oppose changing student grants for higher education into student loans (other left-wing parties like the social-democrats and the Greens are not opposed to this). Their whole ideology consists of being anti-establishment and anti-"self-enrichment in the private sector" (as GW puts it) and most of their voters are from the lower class, again, those who feel "left out" and neglected by mainstream politics. If GW had been American, he would've been at the front row in those Occupy Wall Street protests. You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

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Old 01-10-2012, 05:40 PM
 
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In terms of immigration yes, but not in terms of economic policy.
I amended my post. It's just like saying Hitler was far-left because everything was under control of the government. People are stupid and forget he prepared for a world war and had to do this to even be able to wage a total war, which mans the entire economy is being mobilized and used just for one purpose - war. Of course this has nothing to do with being "left". There's a reason they have some elements you don't consider far-right. And it's not just immigration but also things such as getting France out of the E.U. , getting rid of the Euro, customs borders etc. And from what I read, Le Pen called phasing-out welfare programs etc. Of course they were smart enough to change course in order to get some votes. But just because they tell people this or that to get their votes, dosen't mean that's what they actually stand for.
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