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Yeah, just like Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and a few others had no legitimate governments prior to Mother Russia marching in and taking over.
You need to study some history. Eastern Europe was occupied by the USSR after WWII. After the destruction of the 3rd Reich there was an agreement between the allies on who would occupy what. America created NATO. The USSR created the Warsaw Pact. This lead to the policy that any war fought in Europe would not be fought on Russian soil.
They had their reasons. Considering there are so many people like DKM the fears of the past are valid to this day.
You need to study some history. Eastern Europe was occupied by the USSR after WWII. After the destruction of the 3rd Reich there was an agreement between the allies on who would occupy what. America created NATO. The USSR created the Warsaw Pact. This lead to the policy that any war fought in Europe would not be fought on Russian soil.
They had their reasons. Considering there are so many people like DKM the fears of the past are valid to this day.
It isn't my grasp of history that's questionable. I'm betting you weren't even alive to hear the personal stories of those 13 year olds manning the machine guns against Russian tanks who managed to escape to the west.
The only difference between Stalin and Putin is the smarmy smile Putin wears.
You need to study some history. Eastern Europe was occupied by the USSR after WWII. After the destruction of the 3rd Reich there was an agreement between the allies on who would occupy what. America created NATO. The USSR created the Warsaw Pact. This lead to the policy that any war fought in Europe would not be fought on Russian soil.
They had their reasons. Considering there are so many people like DKM the fears of the past are valid to this day.
America didn't create NATO; it wasn't our idea in the first place. And likewise, NATO has expanded against Russia's wishes not really because of the planning or the interest of the USA but because Russia's longstanding brutality and crimes against its neighbors have caused them to seek American protection. NATO itself formed this way because the Western Europeans wanted military commitments from us, which we eventually agreed to somewhat reluctantly. They wanted more than just the Marshall Plan. NATO expansion manifestly does not serve our interests, as it entails taking on a massive liability without much in return.
It's impossible to frame the crisis in Ukraine as a pure proxy conflict with the USA because it ignores the interests of the countries within Russia's "sphere of influence" and, specifically, how those interests have fueled the conflict. From Russia's perspective, the Ukrainian crisis is overwhelmingly about NATO expansion and the associated military threat. For the West, I'm quite convinced it has a lot to do with moral idealism--an alien concept to Russians--and supporting the self-determination of other nations. The problem is neither the USA nor Russia really understands one another.
It isn't my grasp of history that's questionable. I'm betting you weren't even alive to hear the personal stories of those 13 year olds manning the machine guns against Russian tanks who managed to escape to the west.
The only difference between Stalin and Putin is the smarmy smile Putin wears.
Whos army crossed the border on June 22 1941? Do you even know? In August 1943 at Kursk, and Sicily it was apparent to many in the German high command that the tide was turning. June of 1944 with operation Bagration and the landings in Normandy no one sane in the German government was under any illusion of what was coming.
The Russians didn't start that war but they finished it.
As for your drama about 13 year olds manning machine guns it's just that. No 13 year old could handle a German machine gun. It's physically impossible.
I've read accounts of the final days of the Wehrmacht in Germany. Tiger Tracks and The Last Panther just to name 2 of them. Considering what the Germans and people like you did in Russia some got off lucky.
The only difference between Nazi Germany and the west is Russias nukes.
America didn't create NATO; it wasn't our idea in the first place. And likewise, NATO has expanded against Russia's wishes not really because of the planning or the interest of the USA but because Russia's longstanding brutality and crimes against its neighbors have caused them to seek American protection. NATO itself formed this way because the Western Europeans wanted military commitments from us, which we eventually agreed to somewhat reluctantly. They wanted more than just the Marshall Plan. NATO expansion manifestly does not serve our interests, as it entails taking on a massive liability without much in return.
It's impossible to frame the crisis in Ukraine as a pure proxy conflict with the USA because it ignores the interests of the countries within Russia's "sphere of influence" and, specifically, how those interests have fueled the conflict. From Russia's perspective, the Ukrainian crisis is overwhelmingly about NATO expansion and the associated military threat. For the West, I'm quite convinced it has a lot to do with moral idealism--an alien concept to Russians--and supporting the self-determination of other nations. The problem is neither the USA nor Russia really understands one another.
Go learn something. You ignorance is embarassing. Make me a drink while you're at it.
America didn't create NATO; it wasn't our idea in the first place. And likewise, NATO has expanded against Russia's wishes not really because of the planning or the interest of the USA but because Russia's longstanding brutality and crimes against its neighbors have caused them to seek American protection. NATO itself formed this way because the Western Europeans wanted military commitments from us, which we eventually agreed to somewhat reluctantly. They wanted more than just the Marshall Plan. NATO expansion manifestly does not serve our interests, as it entails taking on a massive liability without much in return.
It's impossible to frame the crisis in Ukraine as a pure proxy conflict with the USA because it ignores the interests of the countries within Russia's "sphere of influence" and, specifically, how those interests have fueled the conflict. From Russia's perspective, the Ukrainian crisis is overwhelmingly about NATO expansion and the associated military threat. For the West, I'm quite convinced it has a lot to do with moral idealism--an alien concept to Russians--and supporting the self-determination of other nations. The problem is neither the USA nor Russia really understands one another.
From what I saw back in the nineties - the "moral idealism" of the West is all about money after all.
So as I've said before - tell your fairy-tails someone else)))
And likewise, NATO has expanded against Russia's wishes not really because of the planning or the interest of the USA but because Russia's longstanding brutality and crimes against its neighbors have caused them to seek American protection.
Whos army crossed the border on June 22 1941? Do you even know? In August 1943 at Kursk, and Sicily it was apparent to many in the German high command that the tide was turning. June of 1944 with operation Bagration and the landings in Normandy no one sane in the German government was under any illusion of what was coming.
The Russians didn't start that war but they finished it.
As for your drama about 13 year olds manning machine guns it's just that. No 13 year old could handle a German machine gun. It's physically impossible.
I've read accounts of the final days of the Wehrmacht in Germany. Tiger Tracks and The Last Panther just to name 2 of them. Considering what the Germans and people like you did in Russia some got off lucky.
The only difference between Nazi Germany and the west is Russias nukes.
Whaaah the heck are you talking about? I'm referencing the 13 year old Hungarians who got to watch and fight to try to stop Russian tanks rolling through their streets in 1956. He escaped and joined my school class in Canada bringing pictures of himself firing a tripod mounted machine gun at an advancing Russian tank. His story was one of escaping by the skin of his teeth.
Whaaah the heck are you talking about? I'm referencing the 13 year old Hungarians who got to watch and fight to try to stop Russian tanks rolling through their streets in 1956. He escaped and joined my school class in Canada bringing pictures of himself firing a tripod mounted machine gun at an advancing Russian tank. His story was one of escaping by the skin of his teeth.
People like me did in Russia? When did Canada invade Russia? Link please.
Now let's talk about how many times over the years Canadian jets have had to intercept Russian planes flying provocatively near Canada's airspace.
You're such a maligned, innocent, peace loving nation.
Russia is NOT "maligned and innocent" nation. Far away from it.
It can be brutal, vicious, and downright murderous.
However this doesn't change the fact, that the West ( and I am pointing at the US first of all,) in spite of all the assurances of "peace and democracy," is first and utmost a ruthless corporate machine governed by the Wall Street and aspiring to take over the world.
("Velvet paws hide sharp claws" is the best way to describe the situation the way I see it.)
And Russia is out there to make damn sure that this is not going to happen.
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