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Old 08-25-2019, 02:11 PM
 
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Honestly, I wish the people of Ukraine the best. The politicians and fascists need to be shot and hung like the self serving scum they are.
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Old 08-25-2019, 02:52 PM
 
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It's incredible! Great show! Thank you Mr. DKM!

Alec...
That's precisely what it is - a SHOW.
If I were you, I'd be watching closely what's going on BEHIND the scene ( or show if you wish.)
Pay attention at financial/healthcare sectors.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Npjofpdo8




...and this is your Bogdan ( Ze's chief of staff) celebrating "Independence day" in St. Tropez, France.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdgzCkj24Eo


So as they say, "the more things change, the more they remain the same."
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Old 08-25-2019, 03:49 PM
 
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I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Surely Putin views Ukraine as important to his customs union or he would not have reacted the way he did when it was rejected? I'm curious to hear an alternative view for why he reacted this way.



I think you know well enough that Putin's system there is rent seeking kleptocracy. It didn't really bother us who got rich over there until they started attacking neighbors for rejecting this style of governance.



No the point is if Russia were to grow its economy (without sanctions) then it would benefit everyone. If "independent politics" means creating armed conflict in neighboring states, then yes sanctions are part of how we respond to that.


The kleptocracy can't survive without creating enemies, conspiracies, lurking foreigners that want to destroy Rodina. Putin prefers sanctions to lose elections or even a coup.
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Old 08-25-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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Alec...
That's precisely what it is - a SHOW.
If I were you, I'd be watching closely what's going on BEHIND the scene ( or show if you wish.)
Pay attention at financial/healthcare sectors.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-Npjofpdo8




...and this is your Bogdan ( Ze's chief of staff) celebrating "Independence day" in St. Tropez, France.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdgzCkj24Eo


So as they say, "the more things change, the more they remain the same."
Look at the small details. Where they laid the wreaths at the beginning you'll notice the curb is broken, voids behind the steps leading to the grassy area, sunken bricks in the sidewalk. I couldn't watch the rest, it's downright boolywood and obviously cost a lot. Sickening.
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Old 08-25-2019, 06:26 PM
 
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Look at the small details. Where they laid the wreaths at the beginning you'll notice the curb is broken, voids behind the steps leading to the grassy area, sunken bricks in the sidewalk. I couldn't watch the rest, it's downright boolywood and obviously cost a lot. Sickening.

The more they are trying to create this anti-Russian state, the more they are trying to look "nothing like Russia," the more desperate it looks.
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Old 08-25-2019, 07:38 PM
 
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The more they are trying to create this anti-Russian state, the more they are trying to look "nothing like Russia," the more desperate it looks.
I'm sure Kiev is doing well too. Other places? Can you say banana republic? Ukraine is well on its way to becoming someone's colony.

What you are saying about looks that they are trying to project is not only desperate, it's futile.
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Old 08-26-2019, 11:51 AM
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Look at the small details. Where they laid the wreaths at the beginning you'll notice the curb is broken, voids behind the steps leading to the grassy area, sunken bricks in the sidewalk. I couldn't watch the rest, it's downright boolywood and obviously cost a lot. Sickening.
That's because portions of that street are preserved the way it was since the revolution. Those steps had blood stains for long time. Other parts of that street are memorialized from the shootings, and they still have bullet holes and places where bricks were removed to build barricades. The white truck in the video was involved in an incident right in that same spot when they tried to use it to break the blockade. Your ignorance is once again on full display...
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Old 08-26-2019, 12:44 PM
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The more they are trying to create this anti-Russian state, the more they are trying to look "nothing like Russia," the more desperate it looks.
The more you are trying to create this image that Ukraine is a failed state, the more you are trying to show its failing "without Russia", the more desperate it looks.
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Old 08-26-2019, 04:20 PM
 
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So, us people who trashed talked Poroshenko all this time were correct, as even Ukrainians ended up not liking him, lol.

All can say is "told you".
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Old 08-26-2019, 05:04 PM
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So, us people who trashed talked Poroshenko all this time were correct, as even Ukrainians ended up not liking him, lol.

All can say is "told you".
But many of the reasons were different.

To Russians (and some Ukrainians), he was hated for promoting an ethno-nationalist anti-Russian policy.

To many Ukrainians who voted against him, he was hated for stalling reforms. His poor record on reform was masked by ethno-nationalism (see above). Its almost like he wanted to keep things mostly the same but with a pro western expression. The corruption stench around him didn't help...

In a way, that made him like Putin. He wanted to distract from his failure to fix the conditions which led to the revolution in the first place. I don't know how much of this is his fault or if he genuinely tried to do more and was blocked by other forces. Either way, he was rightfully fired. That doesn't mean all Ukrainians don't like him though or he wouldn't be heading to parliament next week in charge of a party.
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