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I saw that story about Motor Sich and the US trying to interfere with Chinese and Ukrainian cooperation. What in the world is Motor Sich supposed to do? Russia started making their own engines a long time ago. There are other countries that use what MS makes but not a lot and not for much longer as most of what they produce is obsolete by the latest standards.
The Chinese interests are willing to invest in the company and to modernize it so why not? China will use what is made too but hey, that's business right?
Europe and America don't need what they produce. What's the company supposed to do? Fade away?
I saw that story about Motor Sich and the US trying to interfere with Chinese and Ukrainian cooperation. What in the world is Motor Sich supposed to do? Russia started making their own engines a long time ago. There are other countries that use what MS makes but not a lot and not for much longer as most of what they produce is obsolete by the latest standards.
The Chinese interests are willing to invest in the company and to modernize it so why not? China will use what is made too but hey, that's business right?
Europe and America don't need what they produce. What's the company supposed to do? Fade away?
Ukraine is a colony.
Apparently yes!, eliminating in a process thousands of jobs/qualified specialists/tech people and so on. ( Or forcing them to leave the country and to seek employment elsewhere.)
And "Motor Sich" happened to be in Zaporozhie - i.e. that region next to Donbass, with the most educated/industrial part of Ukraine that I was pointing at before, as the next potential target of destruction ( err.. "Europeazation," sorry.)
Zaporozhiye is the epitome of ex soviet rust belt decay. Its a pretty sad place and polluted to boot. Their local corruption is at a very high level and it negatively affects development. Unfortunately much of the population is of the soviet mindset so they vote for corruption who promise them fantasy. They have a decent industrial base and electricity is in a surplus so they might hold on okay, but the place has been in a slow decline for much of the past 28 years. I remember they have a car factory just barely hanging on by making Korean junk.
Motor Sich is probably doomed if they don't do the China deal. The previous administration had no love for that city but the current one should be more sympathetic. I'd say its a 50/50 proposition at this point. They might wait.
Apparently yes!, eliminating in a process thousands of jobs/qualified specialists/tech people and so on. ( Or forcing them to leave the country and to seek employment elsewhere.)
And "Motor Sich" happened to be in Zaporozhie - i.e. that region next to Donbass, with the most educated/industrial part of Ukraine that I was pointing at before, as the next potential target of destruction ( err.. "Europeazation," sorry.)
I agree. The needs of the empire outweigh the needs of the members of said Empire. The narrative concerning the sale is not even correct. China has been and is capable of building anything Motor Sich can, this is purely a business venture. The US does not want an independant Ukraine. It wants a dependant, obedient vassel state, at any cost. The more control Ukraine gives to the western interests the more chains it will wrap around itself.
What in the world is Motor Sich supposed to do? Russia started making their own engines a long time ago. There are other countries that use what MS makes but not a lot and not for much longer as most of what they produce is obsolete by the latest standards.
You seem to make a lot of false claims here again. You think Russia owns Pratt & Whitney? That's who makes the Ansat engines since Motor Sich has been cut off the contract.
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The narrative concerning the sale is not even correct. China has been and is capable of building anything Motor Sich can, this is purely a business venture.
If China didn't need the technology from Motor Sich, they wouldn't be making this offer. And the USA wouldn't be opposed to it. Or are you pretending there is a another secret motive other than the obvious one. You seem to be convinced that Ukraine can't possess technology China would want but fail to provide a compelling argument why else China would want to buy an engine factory in Ukraine.
Zaporozhiye is the epitome of ex soviet rust belt decay. Its a pretty sad place and polluted to boot. Their local corruption is at a very high level and it negatively affects development. Unfortunately much of the population is of the soviet mindset so they vote for corruption who promise them fantasy. They have a decent industrial base and electricity is in a surplus so they might hold on okay, but the place has been in a slow decline for much of the past 28 years. I remember they have a car factory just barely hanging on by making Korean junk.
Motor Sich is probably doomed if they don't do the China deal. The previous administration had no love for that city but the current one should be more sympathetic. I'd say its a 50/50 proposition at this point. They might wait.
Ahh, I see..
"Soviet mindset," "sad place," "local corruption is at a very high level."
How high is it - let's wring our hands - higher than that of Poroshenko with his "Western mindset"?
And when it comes to the "negatively affected development" - all right then, let them sell that sad Motor Sich to the Chinese and get that "development" going. After all, "free market" rulez.
Except for when apparently it does not all of a sudden;
WASHINGTON—U.S. national-security adviser John Bolton is seeking to scuttle the pending Chinese acquisition of a Ukrainian aerospace company on grounds that it will give Beijing vital defense technology, according to senior U.S. administration officials familiar with the matter.
Mr. Bolton’s personal interest and involvement in the deal,acknowledged by the senior administration officials, underscores the growing importance of this case to the US national-security establishment."
That's all you need to know about the "free and independent Ukraine."
You seem to make a lot of false claims here again. You think Russia owns Pratt & Whitney? That's who makes the Ansat engines since Motor Sich has been cut off the contract.
Sorry, my dear friend, but your claims are no less false.
You, as usual, distort the facts and give wishful thinking.
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Russia has also faced difficulties: Ukrainian sanctions have shifted the construction time of patrol ships of the far sea zone (projects 11356 and 22350) and corvettes (projects 20380 and 20385).
In June 2015, Deputy Prime Minister (now head of Roscosmos) Dmitry Rogozin said that the domestic industry will master the production of 186 gas turbine units, which were previously supplied by Kiev. By 2017, Saturn specialists were able to quickly find a replacement for Ukrainian products. In particular, in April last year, the company launched the production of marine gas turbine engine (GTE) M-70ФРУ-2 with a capacity of 14 thousand horsepower.
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Also, Russia hedged in the field of helicopter engines. In 2014 JSC "Klimov" has launched serial production of the turboshaft engine VK-2500 with a power of 2700 horsepower (replacement of TVZ-117 PJSC "Motor Sich"). In 2017, the company produced 130 engines . Family VK-2500 can be installed on most helicopters OKB Kamov and Moscow plant them. Mile.
And the fact that Ansat has an imported engine installed is understandable. This helicopter is a purely commercial project, designed mainly for export, and it is logical that it is installed the engine of one of the leading manufacturers.
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