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What I see happening quite honestly is the "alignment of powers," - each group having their own goals/interests/grievances that unite them vs the other group.
Something that we usually witness before/during major world conflicts (not excluding World War I and World War II, and the consequences of it - Cold War, obviously.)
Only this time around, the alignment is happening on a much grander scale it looks like.
P.S. Yet another ( and unpredictable) interesting development I find in this picture is Brexit.
And this is the one to watch now.
I see that too and so do many others. The difference is where in the past one power was seeking to alleviate some detrimental condition. Germany in WWII was after living space, the main goal was to expand economic opportunities. It was in fact a ligitimate solution to the problems Germany faced at that time. Many other wars were fought for the same reason.
The situation in todays world is different. The SCO does not face the same conditions of the participants of those past conflicts. Technology is way more advanced. We have the internet and with it information in all forms is far more vast in quantity and far more widely distributed. Medicine, agriculture, industry, resource management, energy management are far more advanced than ever before. The world community is literally in a new age and this has come to us in our lifetimes.
The SCO does not need to create a conflict to gain what it needs. The system the world has in place ensures wide open spaces to expand opportunity are there and will continue to grow for decades to come.
The one thing that could mess it up is the US. We have done nothing to gain the respect of others in this world. If fact it seems we are seen as the most contemptable in most societies. We may well be excluded, a begger has nothing to offer a rich man.
Irrelelvance can be painful. Considering what China and Russia are doing I hope we have the good sense to accept the fate we have made for ourselves.
Ukraine is choosing the wrong side. Russia, greater Eurasia is Ukraines future.
Hilarious btw how the bulgarian ministry of foreign affairs recently published statement mocking the russian "liberation" after 1945. Ukraine should follow our example.
Hilarious btw how the bulgarian ministry of foreign affairs recently published statement mocking the russian "liberation" after 1945. Ukraine should follow our example.
Hilarious how ignorant some Eastern Europeans are of human nature and history. Are you pissed off about the "Soviet occupation" because they prevented Poles from slitting the throats of Hungarians and Romanians? Because Bulgarians couldn't murder their Yugoslavian neighbors in the night? Are you people angry because the Crimean Tatars couldn't go on slave raids into Ukraines interior?
Are you angry or just ignorant or both?
After the war ended most of Europe, from the Urals to the English Channel was pretty much trashed. I can see every little stinking mayor from Gdansk to the isle of Crete creating their own little armies, fighitng for power amongst themselves in petty wars that would have only prolonged the suffering in perpetuity. The USSR saved you from yourselves, 40 years of peace and that was the longest time of peace your part of the world had ever seen.
Be thankful. Look at Afghanistan and what America?Europe did in Yugoslavia. The Soviets prevented that, at great cost to themselves.
^ this is new bs to me, at least stick to the often repeated lie "we saved you from the nazis since they wanted to kill slavs like...your country too".
This was ww2 and not ww1 the Balkan wars, Bulgaria didn't want the war, it was Hitler's war or Germany's at best - no one wanted to invade your favorite in russia obedient Yugoslavia so that you can save Yygoslavia from "bulgarian backstabers" later. In fact the whole reason Bulgaria joined was so that the Axis promised Macedonia (fine - Northern Macedonia) which was a goal ever since 1878 and after due to the unfair results of the "liberation" from Ottomans.
1. Five years of "war with Russia" and 35 prisoners. Some of them are journalists. What happens, Ukrainians do not capture Russians, but are shot at places of capture?
The guys lost their warships. They had weapons on board for war (and victory) with a small country, but they surrendered the flag of Ukraine without a fight. And they are now heroes. Ukraine is an amazing country.
1. Five years of "war with Russia" and 35 prisoners. Some of them are journalists. What happens, Ukrainians do not capture Russians, but are shot at places of capture?
12 of them were Russian citizens. The rest (but one) were Ukrainian citizens but "ethnic" Russians. Not sure your question, but some were no doubt killed during the capturing process in the more active period of combat but little of that since 2014. Mostly the Russians are allowed to gather their dead and wounded and ship em back. Both sides are too stubborn to let the other go on their way.
The guys lost their warships. They had weapons on board for war (and victory) with a small country, but they surrendered the flag of Ukraine without a fight. And they are now heroes. Ukraine is an amazing country.
They are praised for all surviving being attacked by a much larger force. Gun boats aren't even equipped to fight other ships. The award is for refusing to go along with demands of their captors such as publicly agreeing to their attempts at propaganda, despite heavy pressure. They never deviated from telling their mission as it was: to legally relocate to a base in the Azov. Their illegal capture and detainment showed South Ukrainians just who the Russian government are now: mafia thugs run by an idiot in charge desperate to cling to power. Nobody wants that kind of government in Ukraine anymore, not even your beloved Odessa.
The award is for refusing to go along with demands of their captors such as publicly agreeing to their attempts at propaganda, despite heavy pressure.
I understood. They are heroes because they have not switched to the side of Russia. What do you mean by "heavy pressure"? I have not heard of heavy pressure.
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They never deviated from telling their mission as it was: to legally relocate to a base in the Azov.
They could do it. But they had to coordinate the passage through the strait with the Russian side. Everything could be peaceful and friendly in this case.
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Nobody wants that kind of government in Ukraine anymore, not even your beloved Odessa.
Hilarious how ignorant some Eastern Europeans are of human nature and history. Are you pissed off about the "Soviet occupation" because they prevented Poles from slitting the throats of Hungarians and Romanians? Because Bulgarians couldn't murder their Yugoslavian neighbors in the night? Are you people angry because the Crimean Tatars couldn't go on slave raids into Ukraines interior?
Are you angry or just ignorant or both?
After the war ended most of Europe, from the Urals to the English Channel was pretty much trashed. I can see every little stinking mayor from Gdansk to the isle of Crete creating their own little armies, fighitng for power amongst themselves in petty wars that would have only prolonged the suffering in perpetuity. The USSR saved you from yourselves, 40 years of peace and that was the longest time of peace your part of the world had ever seen.
Be thankful. Look at Afghanistan and what America?Europe did in Yugoslavia. The Soviets prevented that, at great cost to themselves.
They should've just left.
Russian nazi brigade keeps this thread running for almost 6 years. 6 years worth of bs and whitewashing of murderous Russian regimes of all colors and ages. Russian communo fascists outdid their German nazi allies as far as barbarity and body counts and yet Russian sympathizers have this strong urge to anoint themselves as the force of cosmic good. Surreal. But much unlike Germans, Russians did not produce any remorse and reflection in the past 80 years, just mountains of lies, whitewashing and mania of grandeur. Putin regime is like a mushroom on the decomposing Russian soul. And just like 80 years ago Russia poisons the world and kills albeit on much lesser scale.
There is no devastating news regarding IMF reforms. The mission just arrived this week. The 2014 standby loan was just repaid. The only people the IMF is devastating to are the corrupt oligarchs who get rich off of state subsidies, sold to the population as helpful for everyone. The government of Ukraine is not going to use taxpayers to fund purchases of Russian gas no matter who from your Russian propaganda team makes it sound like a great idea. Yes the IMF put an end to that and other awful ideas.
Now let me reiterate one more time; this IMF's *caring for Ukrainian people* ( not the oligarchs - god forbids ) brought the price of gas for households from 0.72 kop to 7.20-8.55 grivnas.
But according to you - that's a victory for Ukrainian people of course. //www.city-data.com/forum/55896778-post12937.html
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Too bad for you it works: the budget is stable, external debt is paid back on time, bond yields, central bank interest rates and inflation are falling. The currency strengthened, foreign reserves are at a 6 years high... wages are increasing, the economy is one of the fastest growing in Europe....
hmm yep clearly the nation is heading to economic ruin.
Now when I have a chance - going back to this..
This is what the investigative journalist ( now the deputy of Zelensky's party) has to say about it:
"..so when it comes to the plans to increase the economic growth (of Ukraine) – this is not such a simple story. Do you remember American-born, American citizen N. Jaresko, our former Finance minister and close friend of Valeria Gontareva? She was the one who conducted so-called restructuring of Ukrainian debt of $ 3.24 billion? So what does it mean… It means that you were suppose to pay back in a year, but you say I will pay back in ten years, but on a special terms. And Jaresko offered very interesting conditions to Ukrainian creditors. $3 billion overall is not such a great sum, but what Jaresco offered to the creditors back in 2014, is that they would get a big return on these money, if the economic growth of Ukraine would be over 3%. So if what ( current finance minister) Goncharuk is promising now – i.e. the growth of Ukrainian economy will be 4, 5, 6 or even 7% - this means that by 2026 ( the period when the restructuring of Ukrainian debt is coming to an end,) our country will pay almost $ 9 billion in interest on those restructured obligations. This is a hefty bonus to the creditors, who accepted this so-called “debt restructuring” Jaresko style. And this would explain the ground for exorbitant salaries (of Ukrainian ministers?) So that’s the money that our hapless Ukrainian economy – in effect us, the Ukrainian taxpayers will part with, because after all it’s us, the Ukrainian citizens who will have to pay to external creditors these money via taxes. The most interesting thing is that now we can buy our debt much cheaper… But we don’t have money right now, and so most likely will have to pay up this debt in a long run, which is a problem, because it means that will have to come up with additional means to pay these money, that will have to come out of our very pockets… $6 billion to be exact. Basically it will be all that “economic growth” that will be simply awarded to our creditors for this very economic growth. Imagine – we will overcome the corruption, will get rid of energy monopolies, tariffs, we’ll sell our land and so on and so on, yet at the end all this money will go to friends and partners of George Soros, and may be to him personally. So my heartfelt congratulations. Me personally – I think we have to initiate the revision of this whole “restructuring” deal, to investigate Jaresko, and bring her to court."
P.S. When it comes to Valeria Gontareva mentioned here - a chairwoman of the National Bank of Ukraine, who is sitting now in London in a capacity of the "Senior Policy Fellow at the London School of economics" - she is wanted in Ukraine on criminal charges, ( and will attempt most likely to claim the "political asylum" in UK.)
So yeah...
Things are looking up for Ukraine.
Just peachy.
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) brought the price of gas for households from 0.72 kop to 7.20-8.55 grivnas.
