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Old 04-24-2019, 01:06 PM
 
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This is just Russian disinformation to cover up for the issue Belarus is having with the poor quality of Russian oil that came down their pipes in the past weeks. A nice cover up story to make it sound like it was intentional. But perhaps it was intentional as part of pressure on Lukashenko. In any case, no Ukraine isn't dependent on Russian oil anymore than Russian gas. It would be a blip for a week or 2 and be resolved with new supply from other sources.

What "other sources" and, what's more important, AT WHAT PRICE???
Ukraine is at the breaking point financially as it is.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:11 PM
 
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"Right" about WHAT exactly?
He is basically stating that Poroshenko is cooperating with Putin ( or vice versa)
Is it what you believe in?
I agree with Mr. Dubinsky in point about tight cooperation Poroshenko and Putin.
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Old 04-24-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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I agree with Mr. Dubinsky in point about tight cooperation Poroshenko and Putin.

Eh?
That's what you believe in?
Why exactly?
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:15 PM
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What "other sources" and, what's more important, AT WHAT PRICE???
Ukraine is at the breaking point financially as it is.
Apparently you were unaware that Ukraine (unlike Belarus) pays market price for oil and petrol. They have refineries and several locations on the black sea where oil and refined products are imported. If it stops from the North, they get more from the south. Oil is pretty easy to source when you have oil terminals on the sea.
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Eh?
That's what you believe in?
Why exactly?
1) We've got external enemy (russians) and russians have got the same. And nobody care anymore about internal problems.
2) DPR/LPR is greatest european contraband hub.
3) Utilization old weapons and test new in real time on the field. Also dropping-out of passionary people from both sides.
4) Kiev got rid of millions of protest voters.
5) Time-worn ex-USSR industry like the Alsace and the Ruhr in France, too, in the past (out of line).
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Old 04-24-2019, 02:47 PM
 
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Apparently you were unaware that Ukraine (unlike Belarus) pays market price for oil and petrol. They have refineries and several locations on the black sea where oil and refined products are imported. If it stops from the North, they get more from the south. Oil is pretty easy to source when you have oil terminals on the sea.
Turkey does not allow tankers through the Bosphorus. Or I'm wrong?
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:22 PM
 
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The way forward is a negotiated settlement. Something like Russia gets Crimea recognized, Minsk is applied (by both sides) and whatever else face saving is needed, perhaps some payment, maybe a Finland style out of NATO arrangement etc. Ze is up for this. Poro was not. So its up to Putin. I'm not optimistic.

What Finland-style arrangement? Finland doesn't have any "arrangements" with Russia.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:35 PM
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Turkey does not allow tankers through the Bosphorus. Or I'm wrong?
Oil, not gas. I think all countries on the black sea have oil/petrol import terminals.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:47 PM
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What Finland-style arrangement? Finland doesn't have any "arrangements" with Russia.
I did not say it does. Finland has an arrangement with NATO.
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Old 04-24-2019, 04:48 PM
 
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Oil, not gas. I think all countries on the black sea have oil/petrol import terminals.
Yes since 2016.
And we have Odessa oil terminal.
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