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Old 04-20-2019, 12:24 PM
 
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To protect russian speaking people (40 % of population) for example and establish "Estonian peoples republic" EPR.
Or to move border furter to west from St Petersburg. I dont know what's on crazy Putin's mind.
Can you explain the reason why Russia should conquer Ukraine?

I don't think Putin gives a damn about "Russian speaking people."

At least not when money come in consideration; he obviously prefers money ( and the interests of his own clan) over the interests of the "Russian people."


Back in 2014 he could easily take over good portion of the South-Eastern parts of Ukraine.
Strelkov ( i.e. Girkin) who was there, on the grounds, stated that later on, saying that "the locals were ready for that and would have supported that, with Ukrainian army not ready to resist ( no, more than that - he was actually approached by few reps asking him "when?" and ready to side with the Russians.)
Putin refused.



Not only that, I'll have to quote the long-suffering Zakhar(chenko) on this matter as the time progressed;

"How long this can last? I'd like to address this question to State Duma, to government, to Russia in general. We are fighting here third year in a row. We want to go back to our motherland, we want to be returned to Russia. How long we still have yet to fight? What else we should do?"



No, Putin doesn't want to take over Ukraine per se.

Like Americans, he is simply interested in using it in his own interests.

Just in a somewhat different manner.

However how RUSSIANS themselves perceive the whole situation, is a whole different matter.
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Old 04-20-2019, 02:32 PM
 
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Old 04-20-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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Putin has zero care for Russian speakers, and Russians in general but specifically those who reside outside of Russia. If he did care, he would simply make it where they could easily immigrate to Russia, but he does not...
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Old 04-20-2019, 04:50 PM
 
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Old 04-20-2019, 05:25 PM
 
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Do you really think what NATO will protect to Estonia or Latvia in the event of a conflict with Russia? You are naive! NATO is not going to die for these endangered extinction countries.
And explain the reason why Russia should conquer them?

Let's turn this around. Do you really think Russia would go to war with NATO for Estonia or Latvia and risk the implement of the V Article? It would have only one outcome - the total destruction of the Russian people. No, you already answered that question.


However, if Estonia or Latvia wouldn't be in NATO, Putin might've tried something already.
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Old 04-20-2019, 06:11 PM
 
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Let's turn this around. Do you really think Russia would go to war with NATO for Estonia or Latvia and risk the implement of the V Article? It would have only one outcome - the total destruction of the Russian people. No, you already answered that question.


However, if Estonia or Latvia wouldn't be in NATO, Putin might've tried something already.
Why does everyone thing the Baltic states are of any importance to Russia? Baffled by this concept. They are of zero strategic importance for Russia.

I think the Baltics must have some lobbying group or something to keep this myth up, because otherwise they would have about zero interest regarding geopolitics.
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Old 04-20-2019, 06:48 PM
 
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Why does everyone thing the Baltic states are of any importance to Russia? Baffled by this concept. They are of zero strategic importance for Russia.

I think the Baltics must have some lobbying group or something to keep this myth up, because otherwise they would have about zero interest regarding geopolitics.

What did Russia gain with occupying Crimea? Nothing. Russia became an outcast in the international community and a target for heavy sanctions. And for what? For a rocky peninsula which requires billions of dollars every year to be afloat?



But as always, Russia doesn't operate with logic, but nostalgia, paranoia and hatred. Don't play coy, Russia thinks that the Baltic States are their property, and even if they aren't, they should be. It's an insult to Russian imperialists that these countries even exist in the first place.
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Old 04-20-2019, 07:51 PM
 
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What did Russia gain with occupying Crimea? Nothing. Russia became an outcast in the international community and a target for heavy sanctions. And for what? For a rocky peninsula which requires billions of dollars every year to be afloat?



But as always, Russia doesn't operate with logic, but nostalgia, paranoia and hatred. Don't play coy, Russia thinks that the Baltic States are their property, and even if they aren't, they should be. It's an insult to Russian imperialists that these countries even exist in the first place.



It retained the military base that the puppet government of Ukraine was planning to pass to Americans.

This particular navy base was instrumental in dealing with Syria among other things.
But you probably don't know any of it, when talking about "logic" ?
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Old 04-20-2019, 08:32 PM
 
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What did Russia gain with occupying Crimea? Nothing. Russia became an outcast in the international community and a target for heavy sanctions. And for what? For a rocky peninsula which requires billions of dollars every year to be afloat?



But as always, Russia doesn't operate with logic, but nostalgia, paranoia and hatred. Don't play coy, Russia thinks that the Baltic States are their property, and even if they aren't, they should be. It's an insult to Russian imperialists that these countries even exist in the first place.
Crimea is an important naval base and a strategic area for Russia. For you not to even know this basic stuff demonstrates your severe lack of knowledge about Russia.

Russia does not think the Baltic states are their property, you cannot even demonstrate this at all on any level, except maybe find some fringe whacko somewhere saying it.
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Old 04-20-2019, 09:18 PM
 
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Crimea is an important naval base and a strategic area for Russia. For you not to even know this basic stuff demonstrates your severe lack of knowledge about Russia.

Russia does not think the Baltic states are their property, you cannot even demonstrate this at all on any level, except maybe find some fringe whacko somewhere saying it.
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