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Well...
There is even more to it.
Here is pan Zelensky greeting Ukrainian troops and referring to Donbass rebels as "scum."
As in "thank you guys for defending us from this scum."
I understand that it was 5 years ago, but Youtube remembers everything.
(And so do many people, people in Donbass with whom Zelensky is planning to "win the info wars" including.)
And if Putin's team in any shape or form analyzed this interview with Ze given back in March to the reps of the various Western Media ( New York Times, Le Figaro, Der Spiegel, Bloomberg and so on,) his key position on "solving the crisis in Donbass" consists of "Volkers' plan" and Americans/Britons "joining the negotiation table."
No wonder Putin proceeded with his plan "B" - the distribution of the Russian passports in DNR/LNR at this point in time.
If they do that it will certainly send a message and if Ukrainians take advantage of it they will set a precedent as yet unseen in modern times. Maybe in history. There is a real conflict between the rights of nations/states and the rights of people in those states. Would Ukrainians have a right to vote with their feet? Many already have and are cleaning toilets in Europe and doing construction labor for low wages which is essentially slave labor.
Russia needs more people, you can't build what they want to build without good people to do it. I bet a lot of Ukrainians will take them up on it. Opportunity is rising in the east.
If they do that it will certainly send a message and if Ukrainians take advantage of it they will set a precedent as yet unseen in modern times. Maybe in history. There is a real conflict between the rights of nations/states and the rights of people in those states. Would Ukrainians have a right to vote with their feet? Many already have and are cleaning toilets in Europe and doing construction labor for low wages which is essentially slave labor.
Russia needs more people, you can't build what they want to build without good people to do it. I bet a lot of Ukrainians will take them up on it. Opportunity is rising in the east.
I have a different question here though.
So after the puppet regime has been installed in Kiev, and after five years of death and destruction ( O. Tzarev said in his recent interview addressing some smart-a** Russians, who think that Eastern Ukraine doesn't "resist as effectively as it should" - well he said that two thirds of people he used to know and work with, who dared to oppose this new regime are dead by now.)
After the declining living conditions in Ukraine overall as well, after the country voted that it had enough of it all (rabid nationalism including) the current Rada instigated by Poroshenko ( and backed by Kurt Volker personally) still voted for draconian laws outlawing Russian language.
So my question is - whom/what do these people represent exactly, when the voting map of Ukraine
If they do that it will certainly send a message and if Ukrainians take advantage of it they will set a precedent as yet unseen in modern times. Maybe in history. There is a real conflict between the rights of nations/states and the rights of people in those states. Would Ukrainians have a right to vote with their feet? Many already have and are cleaning toilets in Europe and doing construction labor for low wages which is essentially slave labor.
Russia needs more people, you can't build what they want to build without good people to do it. I bet a lot of Ukrainians will take them up on it. Opportunity is rising in the east.
P.S. I wonder whether they are going to call yet another *emergency meeting* in the UN on this subject, now that Putin is mulling an extended offer.
I don't know whether the "opportunity in the east" is really rising or what, but during the latest meeting in the UN on a subject ( called by the *alarmed Ukrainians,*) Nebenzya ( Russian rep.,) asked (very rightfully so,) why there were no hysterics when the Hungarians/Romanians were giving out passports to THEIR minorities living in Ukraine, ( not to mention the "Polish card" that's given right and left to Ukrainians of the Western provinces. ) Because the "successful economic reforms" organized by the IMF left Poland half-empty, and now they need Ukrainian workers apparently.
( I am not sure how many Poles Brexit will send back home though, after all is said and done, and whether their spots will be taken by hapless Ukrainians by then.)
The point being however, is that back in 2014, after the coup, the Nationalist Ukrainians were yelling at the Easterners ( or anyone who dared to resist the new regime) "Suitcase, railway-station, Russia."
To which by now Russians from the South-East are responding; "Bundle, horse-cart, Poland."
So I am not all that sure that it's all about "opportunities in Russia" with those passport offers. Particularly that from what I know, Ukrainians are not required to give up their Ukrainian passports while acquiring the Russian ones..
I love the comments about free internet and elections. Russias internet is as free as any other and elections in Ukraine are not free. You need money to get elected and even more to get legislation passed.
I love the comments about free internet and elections. Russias internet is as free as any other and elections in Ukraine are not free. You need money to get elected and even more to get legislation passed.
Things are getting interesting, and this is one more proof yet that Russians and Ukrainians ( particularly from the South-Eastern part of the country) are NOT divided within ethnic, but POLITICAL lines.
P.S. I think that the elections in Ukraine were free.
The problem is, once they've elected the president not convenient for today's authorities, he doesn't seem to be able to get his job)))
Talking to my relatives, they are not interested in a Russian passport, even though half of them work in Russia, but hey "our roots are Ukrainian and we belong here"...rednecks, lol.
But this irks me even more, there are thousands of Russians in former Soviet republics who want Russian citizenship, especially in those god awful central Asian countries.
Talking to my relatives, they are not interested in a Russian passport, even though half of them work in Russia, but hey "our roots are Ukrainian and we belong here"...rednecks, lol.
But this irks me even more, there are thousands of Russians in former Soviet republics who want Russian citizenship, especially in those god awful central Asian countries.
There is more to it I think than just "being rednecks," and I can't say I blame them.
Being a "Moscovite" is in my blood and veins ( because my ancestors lived there for generations,) and Moscow ( in spite of all the moronic people who moved in there and keep on moving in,) is so many things in terms of cultural/social/political life - it's a place where you can feel the pulse of the world.
So for these reasons alone I wouldn't be able to live anywhere else in Russia ( even St. Petersburg fails to deliver in this respect.)
But if I were forced to choose where to live in the "Russian world," I'd rather choose Ukraine than "Russia proper." Because "Russia proper" feels more like the "Prussian state" to me ( yes-yes, I refer to the German state,) with its "kaisers," gendarmerie, secret police, military, and on and on.
But the more westward you move, towards the "periphery", the less suffocating the atmosphere is, the more informal relations between people are, and the more the "local rules" rule.
So I can't blame Ukrainians ( barred the Galician type) that are not in a rush to become "Russians," even if they are forced to work/stay in "Russia proper" because of the circumstances.
P.S. Ditto about ethnic Russians stranded in "Stans."
Putin indeed keeps them in there to do his bidding, since he is very interested in close relations with Central Asia.
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