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As I've said before and will repeat it again, Donbass is a blue collar region and they have the mind of their
Never mind. Its just zombies (55+ y o)
Yes you can call them "zombies" I suppose, but it's not just a simple matter of "age."
These are people of very strong convictions - young and old alike.
Yeah but this isn't true. They stop every ship heading for Ukraine and keep them from going to the port for days sometimes weeks. That isn't free or unhindered passage.
They do often search the ships for good reason and a pilot is required to navigate the waters. All this is like anywhere else. There was an instance of cocaine being found on the rudder of a ship just recently. A lot of it. There's been a ship off Ruston Wa now for almost 2 months, a large bulk carrier anchored due to some dispute with the government authorities. It goes on all the time. I'd certainly search the ships pfr security reasons too. You never know if some "Ukrainian Patriot" is going to go Kamikaze the bridge like the Smoker guy in Waterworld.
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They are empty cargo ships from all sorts of countries just coming to pick up goods and ship them out. This has caused a 30% reduction in goods shipped from Berdayinsk and Mariupol ports. It has also caused a nearly the same increase in goods shipped out from Kherson and Nikolaev. It costs Ukraine's Donbas economy and ads a bit to the price of exports. I guess Russia wants those people to be mad at the president by harming them and blaming "Kiev" and the EU. Over time this will lead to the further de-industrialization of the Donbas and more workers will migrate away from the region.
From what I gather Ukrainian authorities are so corrupt and so inept on all spectrums/levels from rail to the trucking industry it's more reliable and easier to go to the Russian ports. Ukrainian fishermen are seeking refugee status in Russia because the Ukrainian authorities demand bribes to fish, confiscate the catch if they do it without "official permission". More than one fisherman now has moved to Russia already. Stupidity and corruption is destroying the Ukrainian fishing industry. Don't try to tell me different. I have met MANY Ukrainians who used to work the fishing industry in Ukraine who come all the way to Alaska to make money. They pass through Seattle.
Yes you can call them "zombies" I suppose, but it's not just a simple matter of "age."
These are people of very strong convictions - young and old alike.
No, its old people who identify with the Soviet Union having grown up there. The under 40 maybe 45 now don't have that affinity for the USSR and realize two important things old zombies don't:
1) USSR was a bad organization that did bad things to many people
2) its never coming back and Putin's Russia will never get to anything like the level of power or living standards of the 60's and 70's USSR. They can have the parades gloating over their capture of eastern europe in 1945 but fewer people identify with that conflict each passing year.
I can add a 3rd thing, the Donbas is never going to be an economic power within Ukraine again... in our lifetimes anyway. Its economy is totally wrecked. There is no reason for anyone to risk an investment there, most of the people (mostly the young with brains) fled. There are some mills that work with raw materials but that isn't as valuable as it used to be. No cheap Putin gaz will save them.
I thought they were out of question, since they were just FIELD COMMANDERS and always stating that very clearly.
They always considered themselves soldiers, first and utmost.
Thugs will always take advantage of opportunity. There are such thugs running Donestk now. They aren't fighting Nazis or for any noble cause. They are just fighting against guys from all over Ukraine. Maybe the goal is separation since the rest of the country would rather let go of this worthless place than fight for it. Nobody really knows... what these guys are dying for? Did Givi's death accomplish anything? Motorola, was just another Russian fighting in Ukraine for what... to keep Ukrainians from deciding their future? Was that worth dying for? Or was he just another dead idiot. I think the latter.
No, its old people who identify with the Soviet Union having grown up there. The under 40 maybe 45 now don't have that affinity for the USSR and realize two important things old zombies don't:
1) USSR was a bad organization that did bad things to many people
2) its never coming back and Putin's Russia will never get to anything like the level of power or living standards of the 60's and 70's USSR. They can have the parades gloating over their capture of eastern europe in 1945 but fewer people identify with that conflict each passing year.
I can add a 3rd thing, the Donbas is never going to be an economic power within Ukraine again... in our lifetimes anyway. Its economy is totally wrecked. There is no reason for anyone to risk an investment there, most of the people (mostly the young with brains) fled. There are some mills that work with raw materials but that isn't as valuable as it used to be. No cheap Putin gaz will save them.
Absolutely agreed!
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I can add a 3rd thing, the Donbas is never going to be an economic power within Ukraine again... in our lifetimes anyway.
No, its old people who identify with the Soviet Union having grown up there. The under 40 maybe 45 now don't have that affinity for the USSR and realize two important things old zombies don't:
1) USSR was a bad organization that did bad things to many people
2) its never coming back and Putin's Russia will never get to anything like the level of power or living standards of the 60's and 70's USSR. They can have the parades gloating over their capture of eastern europe in 1945 but fewer people identify with that conflict each passing year.
What I see in Eastern Ukrainians ( and part of Russians) is more than just "affinity to the Soviet Union."
These people are socialists in THEIR NATURE.
They are not "individualists," they are naturally tuned to their "next kin" and ultimately, they have this in-born "sense of justice."
I don't see right-wing capitalist ideas prospering in that part of the world at the end, as much as I don't believe in the ultimate success of the "left-wing ideas" in the US.
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I can add a 3rd thing, the Donbas is never going to be an economic power within Ukraine again... in our lifetimes anyway. Its economy is totally wrecked. There is no reason for anyone to risk an investment there, most of the people (mostly the young with brains) fled. There are some mills that work with raw materials but that isn't as valuable as it used to be. No cheap Putin gaz will save them.
Yea-yeah-yeah, I already remember "Ukraine doing great under Poroshenko..."
There is no constant human nature, mindset or mentality. Environment is doing their mindset.
Poor (Donbass actually) people need strong leader and authority, rich people need freedom and rights respecting.
There is no constant human nature, mindset or mentality. Environment is doing their mindset.
Typical Soviet belief.
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Poor (Donbass actually) people need strong leader and authority, rich people need freedom and rights respecting.
Otherwise they will simply not survive, since the "free rich people" always target them, one way or the other.
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