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So this Bobyrenko can forsee the future? I'm supposed to take his opinion as fact or what?
Yes, it's pretty easy ( and predictable,) when you know your own people, their way of thinking and their needs.
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Voters expect him to do what he said he would do, and he didn't say he will "sharply cut their heating bills".
And that's what they expect him to do - to lower their bills, since in THEIR understanding this is an essential step in improving their living standards. And they expect him to do that, not because Zelensky explicitly promised them to "sharply cut the heating bills," but because when he talked about those high bills before the elections, he quibbled about "looking into schemes" that make those bills so high. (As the polls showed back then, high energy bills were # 1 priority for the voters, so obviously he couldn't skip addressing this subject.)
And that's what Ukrainians ASSUMED - that Ze was going to remove those schemes ( that they perceived as part of corruption) that were making their bills so high, and the bills were going to go down as the result of it, under Zelensky.
So that was one of the major reasons they voted for him.
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Only Russia can subsidize Ukraine's gas
YOU understand it, I understand it, but the majority of Ukrainians do not.
THEY think that they can have their cake and eat it too.
They think that they can break away from Russia, but their living conditions ( and this includes lowered energy bills) will still go up.
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and its not happening so bringing it up is pointless
It's pointless in YOUR mind, but for the majority of Ukrainians, whose energy bills eat up up to 80% of their income, it will all come back to this point.
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(but does coincide with Putin's eastern oligarchs talking points)
Because they DO have a point, and apparently their understanding of situation is better than yours ( and of other American *gurus* on Ukraine.)
These projects don't look all that great, although I was talking more in terms of the older part of Kiev - it still gives a feel of Soviet times.
Look, I don't like what Sobyanin turned Moscow into, but still, when it comes to the older part of town alone - it looks visibly much more wealthier than Kiev.
And it's not just me - I see a lot of people complaining that Kiev has been turned into cr*ap hole after the "Revolution of Dignity," under then-elected mayor of the city Klitchko, ( mentioned by Victoria Nuland in the infamous video. )
And it looks like currently a scandal is developing around Klitchko ( I'll comment on it later if I won't forget.)
But going back to the subject - I checked some of the Kiev's districts that you show here, and I am surprised to learn, that these kind of places attract the "biggest number of the rich people" - (one of these projects is a "business class." )
But the kind of constructions that you showed in Kiev? With the "biggest concentration of the rich people" ( according to what they are saying) - no, that's strange.
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Just an example of things done lately in Kiev. Still a longggg ways to do but moving in the right direction. Sure they don't have oil to sell to the West to build projects like Moscow is getting, but the picture of worsening Ukraine isn't reality in the past 3 years and the difference will really be noticeable after Ze's reforms kick in.
Says who? You?
But you already kept on telling how things were "moving in the right direction" under Poroshenko, until it has been revealed that 75% of Ukrainians had enough.
OK, in latest news...
First I have to go back to V. Klichko ( mayor of Kiev) whom Zelensky was planning to unseat ( for the role he played in corruption and ultimate demise of the city of Kiev during Poroshenko's reigning,) and to replace him with one of *his* men, who happened to be ultimately one of Kolomoisky's men.
Ze's Chief of Stuff A. Bogdan passed the whole stack of incriminating material on Klichko to the Prosecutor's office.
To which Klichko responded by running to New York to none other but Giuliani. (We already know from earlier reports that Giuliani has no love for Kolomoysky, and as rumor has it, one of the reasons for that, is that K. advised to Zelensky against supplying any compromising material on Biden to Trump, to counter-act the earlier actions of Democrats.)
Giuliani gave Klichko a hand and left very flattering twit in his address; here they are - enjoying their visit, apparently. ( I will spare a lot of curios details for American readers here, just to keep track of the bottom line)
Now the next development that follows today, Zelensky's Chief of Stuff ( yeah, the one that was sun bathing with Ze in Odessa while Volker was visiting with Ukrainian troops in Donbass) is putting in his resignation. ( As rumor has it, this was one of Trump's conditions for meeting with Ze.)
The resignation ( written in a very peculiar way) is still up in the air - that's the best way I can sum it up for now.
These projects don't look all that great, although I was talking more in terms of the older part of Kiev - it still gives a feel of Soviet times.
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Look, I don't like what Sobyanin turned Moscow into, but still, when it comes to the older part of town alone - it looks visibly much more wealthier than Kiev.
But going back to the subject - I checked some of the Kiev's districts that you show here, and I am surprised to learn, that these kind of places attract the "biggest number of the rich people" - (one of these projects is a "business class." )
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But the kind of constructions that you showed in Kiev? With the "biggest concentration of the rich people" ( according to what they are saying) - no, that's strange.
I wasn't saying Moscow doesn't also have a lot of growth (and certainly a LOT of wealth residing there)... but I was just showing some random locations around Kiev which are currently improving. Kiev will probably never appear to be as grand as Moscow, but I believe you were saying that its getting worse since 2014 and I don't find that to be the case. There are cranes everywhere (you'll see them in each of my links) and new places going up near the center and in the suburbs. There are also new subway stations being built for soon to be extended lines. That hardly fits the idea of some decaying place.
There are definitely nice suburban types of places being developed in Kiev too. You can find single homes and smaller developments going up all over especially in the south and west... Of course the promoters of developments will say what they are selling are where the richest people will live. Sounds self promoting. There are ritzy single family homes being built and also new housing for the middle class ...you can find the builder websites easily enough.
Funny thing is you didn't mention one reason for the building boom is the influx of moneyed residents from the Donbas. They drove up demand so much that it caused issues with some locals but the new construction is alleviating that. Indeed the mayor has been accused of profiting from a new deal with developers. I guess we'll see where that goes.
I wasn't saying Moscow doesn't also have a lot of growth (and certainly a LOT of wealth residing there)... but I was just showing some random locations around Kiev which are currently improving. Kiev will probably never appear to be as grand as Moscow, but I believe you were saying that its getting worse since 2014 and I don't find that to be the case. There are cranes everywhere (you'll see them in each of my links) and new places going up near the center and in the suburbs. There are also new subway stations being built for soon to be extended lines. That hardly fits the idea of some decaying place.
There are definitely nice suburban types of places being developed in Kiev too. You can find single homes and smaller developments going up all over especially in the south and west... Of course the promoters of developments will say what they are selling are where the richest people will live. Sounds self promoting. There are ritzy single family homes being built and also new housing for the middle class ...you can find the builder websites easily enough.
Funny thing is you didn't mention one reason for the building boom is the influx of moneyed residents from the Donbas. They drove up demand so much that it caused issues with some locals but the new construction is alleviating that. Indeed the mayor has been accused of profiting from a new deal with developers. I guess we'll see where that goes.
Really now. Select propaganda photos from travel sites and real estate brokers rarely show the whole picture. You need to find other sources for the truth.
As the cab driver says, 30 years of independence and the managers of the country simply neglected everything and stole as much as they could. I remember one member of the Rada pleading with his fellows to refrain from stealing 50% of the funds and steal just 15%. How absurd and pathetic.
Ukrainians have a right to be pissed off and I understand why GOOD Ukrainians are angry. The problem is no one is going to change a thing. 5 years since the "Revolution of Dignity" and all the Kiev Junta has managed to do is kill a bunch of their own countrymen along with some old folks and children in the east and blow large amounts of cash to do it.
The political culture of Ukraine has not changed and it is not going to. When some good member of the Rada wants to get a bill passed or some new law that will do good how much money does that cost? The country is in tatters. The country has nothing to compete with and even worse is to come.
Really now. Select propaganda photos from travel sites and real estate brokers rarely show the whole picture. You need to find other sources for the truth.
As the cab driver says, 30 years of independence and the managers of the country simply neglected everything and stole as much as they could. I remember one member of the Rada pleading with his fellows to refrain from stealing 50% of the funds and steal just 15%. How absurd and pathetic.
Ukrainians have a right to be pissed off and I understand why GOOD Ukrainians are angry. The problem is no one is going to change a thing. 5 years since the "Revolution of Dignity" and all the Kiev Junta has managed to do is kill a bunch of their own countrymen along with some old folks and children in the east and blow large amounts of cash to do it.
The political culture of Ukraine has not changed and it is not going to. When some good member of the Rada wants to get a bill passed or some new law that will do good how much money does that cost? The country is in tatters. The country has nothing to compete with and even worse is to come.
Doesn’t this also apply to Russia for the most part?
Doesn’t this also apply to Russia for the most part?
Yes. I have no doubt of it. Some parts of Russia are in such a state, that's undeniable. Some parts of Russia and it's culture are destined for the scrap heap of history. The difference is Russia has been making significant progress in just the last 5 years and it appears to be accelerating. Russia is laying the groundwork for for great change.
I don't believe the situation in Ukraine is going to improve in the foreseeable future. If this guy Ze is who they've pinned their hopes on then they will be disappointed. Any significant change will be hampered by all means and if he and his people are appear to be succeeding he and his cohorts will be cowed, if not killed off.
The state of Ukraine today very much reminds me of the decay of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth back in the late 1700s. It will accomplish nothing so long as the infighting continues.
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