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The relationship may start with a cleaner slate. The previous regime in Ukraine was helping finance the Clinton campaign in 2016 and was involved in the infamous Trump dossier and related activities to sabotage the 2016 election and the subsequent administration of the US government.
I didn't think it mattered for Ukraine, Syria, and the world who won the 2016 election. Trump may have been easier to manipulate and control once he was in office. If the election was to be rigged, I think he would be the preferred choice for monied interests and the deep state.
Apparently they can't.
More news are coming in, and the more I listen/watch, the more it becomes clear why *Don* ( Trump that is) prefers to keep his distance from this whole quagmire called "Ukraine".
In fact he probably doesn't want to touch it with a barge pole by now and secretly wishes that it would just go away, like some kind of Pandora box. And he is right about it.
Because that's what it is - a Pandora box; there is much more to *Ukraine* than meets the eye, and the further things go, the more it becomes obvious.
Someone from *high circles* apparently is spilling beans to Russian-speaking journalists/bloggers in Ukraine ( I can be only guessing whether it comes directly from Russian or Ukrainian sources, but at the end it's all the same, since Eastern Ukraine IS Russia, no matter how you twist and turn it.)
So I am just going through the latest news, and checking the cross-references on English-speaking sites, to make sure that it is what it is.
Which is why Trump invited Ze to visit him in DC this fall? Or was it the deep state forcing him to do this. There must be some way you can spin it...A date has not yet been set so perhaps you can cling to the hope it might not happen.
An odd statement since the new government hasn't been formed yet. Or you are writing from the future.
No it's not me who is "writing from the future," it's you who are falling behind.
The initial appointments of Zelensky ( the ones he COULD make himself, quite a few of them,) have been scrutinized and those in the know didn't have to guess much to realize that Ze was a repackaged deal.
I will not go through each and everyone of them, but three key people are indicative enough.
His chief of stuff, Bogdan, is Kolomoysky man ( i.e. back to oligarchs we go.)
The one put in charge of the National Security and Defense Council of Ukraine (Daniluk)
Yet the third one, appointed by Ze as a "member of supervisory board in Ukroboronprom" with his "Concordia University Wisconsin" education is self-explanatory. A. Kobolev ( appointed as a head of Naftogas back in 2014, after the "Revolution of Dignity ( a-hem,)) remains in his place under Ze.
All apparently proselytize the "liberal approach" in economy.
That's all you need to know about the repackaged deal.
Now keep all this in mind, because there was another interesting development, the last I've heard.
It looks like Kurt Volker is no longer the official curator of Ukraine - I guess the more American involvement in Ukraine has been unveiled, the more scandalous the direct overseeing by NATO man came across.
So now this man, ( George P. Kent) has been appointed as the curator of Ukraine.
I was delighted to find his article written a month earlier, where he basically was pushing your ideas, such as -
"According to a recent NDI poll, 71% of Ukrainians believe that they are worse off in economic terms now than they were in October 2014. A December 2018 IRI poll reported that 70% of Ukrainians believe the country is going in the wrong direction. Remarkably, this may not end up being decisive. In most countries, people vote their own pocketbooks and personal situations, not national interests. But this documented ability by Ukrainians to bifurcate, and consider the national interest, offers President Poroshenko a potential path to victory."
Oopsie, I guess Ukrainians vote their own pocketbooks and personal situation more than they vote "national interests" after all.
Or, better to say that Americans could manipulate the semi-illiterate idiots from the Western part of Ukraine who were concerned about their "national interests," ( they ARE Nazi after all,) but when it comes to the South-East of the country - not so fast. They have other priorities.
Which is why Trump invited Ze to visit him in DC this fall? Or was it the deep state forcing him to do this. There must be some way you can spin it...A date has not yet been set so perhaps you can cling to the hope it might not happen.
"Deep state" or not, he will be FORCED to do it, as much as he'd like to avoid it all together, I'm sure.
“Donald Trump has made it abundantly clear he doesn’t care about Ukraine -- that he is either deeply skeptical or simply doesn’t think it’s an issue that should concern the United States,” says Andrew Weiss, an analyst at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace who previously served in the State Department and the Pentagon.
“The most we can hope for [from the meeting] is that Trump is changed from an intense Ukraine skeptic to someone who is grudgingly willing” to maintain the current U.S. support for Kyiv.
This pretty much sums it all up, and Trump is right. He is looking at that place with suspicion, he knows that the whole "Ukraine" as anti-Russian project has been concocted by the Democrats and is practically swarming with them.
"The Congressional Ukraine Caucus has asked Nancy Pelosi, the Democrat and Trump critic who is speaker of the House of Representatives, to allow Zelenskiy to address the House and Senate during his visit to Washington, potentially pushing back his visit – which had been expected in early August -- to September, following the congressional summer break."
Now I will try to explain why his intuition is serving Trump well, and here comes a somewhat comical part ( I am sure the Russian speakers will be delighted in particular here.)
"In particular, Portnov earlier this month said a law banning Yanukovych-era officials from holding office again should be expanded to include Poroshenko-era officials. Soon after, Zelenskiy also voiced support for the move.
Poroshenko responded by calling the move an attack against "those who defended the state and built the state," and accused Zelenskiy of seeking to "lustrate them in order to open up a space for the fifth column."
The suggestion also received broad criticism, including from Zelenskiy supporters and from abroad.
Big Gaffe
"Idiotic move by [Zelenskiy] and his first big gaffe thus far since taking office," London-based economist Timothy Ash wrote in a note to investors. And the Group of Seven countries' ambassadors to Ukraine released a statement cautioning the president. "Electoral change and political rotation are the norm in democracies," they said. "Indiscriminate bans on all participants in executive and legislative governance are not." They added, "the situation in Ukraine today is, in our conviction, not comparable to that after the Revolution of Dignity," referring to the Euromaidan uprising by its official name in Ukraine"
So not only the *collective West* is demonstrating blatant hypocrisy here, as in "let's lustrate the corrupt government officials inconvenient for us, but don't you dare to touch the corrupt officials that we've installed," but here comes the comical part;
Since the fate of Poroshenko ( and his men) is hanging on the ropes ( after all, in spite of his newly-created party passing the threshold of 5% and joining the Parliament, the criminal charges are opened against him, and whether he can be salvaged from them or not is questionable,) the second party of the same nationalistic nature (har-har) made it to the parliament with 6% of approval.
The head of this party ( lo and behold) is a popular singer from the Western part of Ukraine, none other but dear Slava Vakarchuk. ( After all, if the new president of the country is a comic actor, why can't a singer create a political party?)
So as the rumor has it, since *some people* in American government do not consider Zelensky as reliable to keep the conflict with Russia going ( as it was under Poroshenko,) and Poroshenko's fate is on the ropes, they want to control Ze at least through that "nationalist light" party of Vakarchuk, insisting that his "Voice" and "the Servant of the People" ( Ze's party) should create a unified block. ( Ze's party, being in majority doesn't need any blocks really, but... )
And our Slava Vakarchuk sounds so appropriate for the purpose with his anti-Russian rhetoric, and his native Ukrainian is so pure and convincing ( even if he sounds as dumb in politics as the rest of them,) that the only slight imperfection we've discovered about him were his recent corporate concerts given to Russian oligarchs in Miami and elsewhere)))
So can you really blame Trump for looking at this wonderland called "Ukraine," and having no desire to participate in the show, as much as the Democrats might try?
You're going to be really mad when you find out the new party members are taking an economics and public policy crash course using Harvard (and a bit of Stanford) materials. The Westernization will be entrenched in this new government. The horror! Most of the corrupt oligarchs in parliament lost to these upstarts (except their enclave in the far east). As incomes continue to rise, those Ukrainians will need to be told they really desire the return of stagnant corrupt days of 2013 where they are told what to do and who they can associate with and the only path to wealth is to know someone with connections.
In other news, Trump called Ze today to congratulate him on the elections. He must have been pushed to do this by the CIA because we all know that Trump wants nothing to do with Ukraine and its crazy nation of people thinking they can choose their own path.
You're going to be really mad when you find out the new party members are taking an economics and public policy crash course using Harvard (and a bit of Stanford) materials. The Westernization will be entrenched in this new government. The horror! Most of the corrupt oligarchs in parliament lost to these upstarts (except their enclave in the far east). As incomes continue to rise, those Ukrainians will need to be told they really desire the return of stagnant corrupt days of 2013 where they are told what to do and who they can associate with and the only path to wealth is to know someone with connections.
In other news, Trump called Ze today to congratulate him on the elections. He must have been pushed to do this by the CIA because we all know that Trump wants nothing to do with Ukraine and its crazy nation of people thinking they can choose their own path.
You're going to be really mad when you find out the new party members are taking an economics and public policy crash course using Harvard (and a bit of Stanford) materials. The Westernization will be entrenched in this new government. The horror! Most of the corrupt oligarchs in parliament lost to these upstarts (except their enclave in the far east). As incomes continue to rise, those Ukrainians will need to be told they really desire the return of stagnant corrupt days of 2013 where they are told what to do and who they can associate with and the only path to wealth is to know someone with connections.
Harvard is precisely the reason why post Soviet Russia practically voted the Communists back in, and Harvard is the reason in many ways why Russia ultimately ended up with Putin, who has been voted in already many times over and over again.
Here, so that you would have just a taste of it, (and this was just a tip of the iceberg.)
In other news, Trump called Ze today to congratulate him on the elections. He must have been pushed to do this by the CIA because we all know that Trump wants nothing to do with Ukraine and its crazy nation of people thinking they can choose their own path.
Trump is not "pushed by the CIA" per se, but there are plenty of people on the Capital Hill ( AND Pentagon) to twist his arm.
No matter who says what, he is not Putin and his power is restricted by American institutions of governance.
22 years of close association with Moscow did Ukraine a lot of good. Maybe its time for something different? Oh but no, they get attacked by the Russian army and their brainwashed "militia" for this idea. Gotta save the oligarchs investments they worked so hard to acquire in the 90s...
22 years of close association with Moscow did Ukraine a lot of good. Maybe its time for something different? Oh but no, they get attacked by the Russian army and their brainwashed "militia" for this idea. Gotta save the oligarchs investments they worked so hard to acquire in the 90s...
They are not trying anything "different."
It's a deja vu, something that US with its "Harvard boys" already tried to pull out in Russia back in the nineties and ultimately failed.
And since they failed over there, now they are trying to attain their goals again from the other end - namely Ukraine, and turn it into yet another anti-Russian project, using same old tricks of the "liberal economy."
Just because it's cheaper to achieve the desirable goals this way, ( or so they calculate yet again.)
So the question I have for the corporate Democrats ( who are huffing and puffing to achieve these goals,) is when are you guys going to put your money where your mouth is?
When are you going to channel billions of dollars to support the "social programs" in Ukraine - the food stamps, the free health care and the rest?
May be THEN you can convince Ukrainians how much better off they are without Russia's economic support.
But if this doesn't fit into Dems' plans of cutting Ukraine off of Russia, may be they should start advocating "fiscal responsibility" back home, the way they do it in Eastern Europe?
One way or the other please, you can't fool all the people all the time, as the proverb has it.
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( After all, if the new president of the country is a comic actor, why can't a singer create a political party?) 
