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Old 04-01-2019, 05:15 PM
 
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I get it, Russians are taught to laugh at the concept of having a genuine choice of who leads them. Its bad! Its scary! Its instability!
The key question is just what are the choices? The choice between dumb and dumber as I have is not a GOOD choice. Both choices are bad and where does that get you?

My country is rotting around me. Drug use is rampant, we're taxed to death, we are fighting petty conflicts all over the globe and trying to start even more of them as I type this. The American dream is dead and the American middle class is rapidly disappearing.

Russia is at least progressing. Putin and his people are doing their jobs from what I see.
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:46 PM
DKM
 
Location: California
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There were 39 choices, isn't that enough? This is a semi-presidential parliamentary republic... like in the USA the president is not the only election that matters.

You are describing Russia as it's standard of living keeps declining. Annual emigration has increased by 500% since 2011. Highest educated Russians are increasingly making up a higher % of Russian emigrants to the West. Rampant drug use, tax increases and petty conflicts, check. The US economy just surpassed 20 trillion a year. Sorry (not sorry) if you are left behind.
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Old 04-01-2019, 05:55 PM
 
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There were 39 choices, isn't that enough? This is a semi-presidential parliamentary republic... like in the USA the president is not the only election that matters.

You are describing Russia as it's standard of living keeps declining. Annual emigration has increased by 500% since 2011. Highest educated Russians are increasingly making up a higher % of Russian emigrants to the West. Rampant drug use, tax increases and petty conflicts, check. The US economy just surpassed 20 trillion a year. Sorry (not sorry) if you are left behind.
39 choices are too much in my opinion. You would do fine with 3 smart and honest individuals with a will to serve the public good.

I don't beleive Russias standards of living are decreasing. I watch and read a lot about Russia, don't even go there with me. Life has vastly improved for your average Russian in the last 20 years. Your average Ukrainian? I feel sorry for them.
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Old 04-01-2019, 07:59 PM
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39 choices are too much in my opinion. You would do fine with 3 smart and honest individuals with a will to serve the public good.
But a month ago you posted on here that Ukraine was anti-democratic for rejecting a candidate's application to run. Which way do you want it?

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... Life has vastly improved for your average Russian in the last 20 years...

In the past 20 years? Sure. In the past 5? Nope.

Now I can't go to Russia or I'll be arrested for saying that.
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Old 04-01-2019, 10:05 PM
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I finally heard from my crew in SE Ukraine. They like this Ze guy. He speaks Russian, doesn't promote the idea of banning Russian language and does NOT promote provocative stunts like making Bandera a national hero. He supports joining Europe, integrating with NATO and staying away from Russia. A younger guy who isn't tainted by the old system. Someone new who is going to tackle corruption with western support. He will win the regions in south and east Ukraine. This is Putin's worst nightmare actually...a non Russian puppet winning "novo-rossiya" and pushing Ukraine firmly away from Russia.
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Old 04-01-2019, 11:38 PM
 
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I finally heard from my crew in SE Ukraine. They like this Ze guy. He speaks Russian, doesn't promote the idea of banning Russian language and does NOT promote provocative stunts like making Bandera a national hero. He supports joining Europe, integrating with NATO and staying away from Russia. A younger guy who isn't tainted by the old system. Someone new who is going to tackle corruption with western support. He will win the regions in south and east Ukraine. This is Putin's worst nightmare actually...a non Russian puppet winning "novo-rossiya" and pushing Ukraine firmly away from Russia.
https://youtu.be/yPuIQsHBMLY

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Old 04-02-2019, 04:24 AM
 
Location: Europe
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https://youtu.be/6VPWvGiBNP8?t=629
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:08 AM
 
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I finally heard from my crew in SE Ukraine. They like this Ze guy. He speaks Russian, doesn't promote the idea of banning Russian language and does NOT promote provocative stunts like making Bandera a national hero. He supports joining Europe, integrating with NATO and staying away from Russia. A younger guy who isn't tainted by the old system. Someone new who is going to tackle corruption with western support. He will win the regions in south and east Ukraine. This is Putin's worst nightmare actually...a non Russian puppet winning "novo-rossiya" and pushing Ukraine firmly away from Russia.
Sigh...hear this same thing with everyone, how they will be a great leader, not tainted by the old system, new vision for Ukraine, Russia's worse fear, etc. Same BS was said about Poroshenko.
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Old 04-02-2019, 05:24 PM
 
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There were 39 choices, isn't that enough? This is a semi-presidential parliamentary republic... like in the USA the president is not the only election that matters.

You are describing Russia as it's standard of living keeps declining. Annual emigration has increased by 500% since 2011. Highest educated Russians are increasingly making up a higher % of Russian emigrants to the West. Rampant drug use, tax increases and petty conflicts, check. The US economy just surpassed 20 trillion a year. Sorry (not sorry) if you are left behind.
This is what you get when you run a freaking circus.

TASS: World - Timoshenko claims Ukrainian president

People have to be civil to one another, to listen to one another, respect one another. When you get a freaking mob at one anothers throats acting like 10 year olds who have so little self respect they have none to show to others you get the steaming mess my country and your beloved Ukraine is.

What kind of GOOD, SENSIBLE person would want to be president of America? You wonder why we get crap like Hildebeast and the Orange One to choose from. Good sensible and INTELLIGENT people don't want to do it. All you get are the self serving reptiles up there. Try to wrap your mind around that.

Russia, Putin and his people may be AUTHORITARIAN but at least the have a functioning society.
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Old 04-02-2019, 06:30 PM
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Sigh...hear this same thing with everyone, how they will be a great leader, not tainted by the old system, new vision for Ukraine, Russia's worse fear, etc. Same BS was said about Poroshenko.
It was? Poroshenko is literally an oligarch from the old guard. He was a member of parliament and served as an official under the Yuschenko, Tymoshenko and Yanukovich led governments. How can anyone have ever said he wasn't part of the old system...? I can't find anyone who was more entrenched in Ukrainian politics in the past 20 years.

That said, he turned out to be true in some of those respects you laid out. Certainly Russia despises him and he laid out a clear path to joining the West. He would have pulled off the re-election too if he didn't keep stumbling with the rule of law reform.
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