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Old 11-03-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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I think an attitude of nonintervention is what we need to do. That's the only thing I can see and with time the problem will lessen but probably never go away. Maybe countries could set up colonies or something where people who really want to get off drugs can just walk through a gate VOLUNTARILY in order to change their lives. We give them one chance and one chance only. We're much too ambivalent in society about this crap. Sympathy, empathy are going to change NOTHING. Stop rewarding bad behavior, stop enabling bad behavior.

Here some people are already doing it. I just remembered a Ukrainian acquaintance of one of my daughters. His parents slaved for years to get enough money to get him through college. He managed to blow upwards of 40k on drugs in 18 months. His parents wrote him off. It was a pretty dramatic affair even from the distance I was personally. Sometimes some things are just not meant to be. He made his choices.

I remember an article I read in the Gomel News. The police/courts were involved in a family where a daughter had gotten addicted to meth. The family locked her in a root cellar with a TV, a cot and a table. They watched her all the time. She was allowed out for meals and rest room breaks ect but she didn't leave that house for months. She got off drugs and the court didn't punish the family.
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:11 PM
 
Location: Plague Island
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Well, the attitude is still different, at least in Western Europe.
California went one step ahead and considers knowingly transmitting HIV/AIDS not a felony anymore. From one extreme to another.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-p...315-story.html
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Old 11-03-2017, 02:28 PM
 
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Jeeeeze!!!

They need to start going Stalin on people over there. Remember the border fence? All the money disappeared, now this. A tank on the battlefield that can't move is just a target and quickly a coffin.

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In September, 35 recently rebuilt T-64 tanks, with engines replaced with new ones, suffered engine failures while on 17th tank brigade training range. Originally Army claimed it is because of wrong oil and fuel. Special commission was created to investigate the case. Three faulty engines were removed from tanks and sent to expertise. After disassembling first two engines, experts found they are actually not only not new, but in fact are 100% worn out. After that, Army forbid disassembling 3rd engine and closed the investigation.
It is not the first case of this kind – in 2015 the same happened with T-72 engines.
https://112.ua/obshchestvo/v-minobor...rt-418566.html
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Unholy trinity of thievery, treachery and cruelty is a trademark of Russian Empire and its later days Soviet/Putin reincarnations. Ukrainian luggage is full of dirty colonial laundry and it looks like the old germs successfully colonize a new state. Anyhow Russian fan brigade should remember a saying "When you point one finger, there are three fingers pointing back to you." Except that it is more like 10 fingers when Russians talk Ukrainian corruption.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:37 PM
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polls repeatedly show Crimeans favor Russia

In Eastern Ukraine, the polls are more favorable to Ukraine over Russia.
This is from almost 3 years ago.
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Old 11-03-2017, 03:38 PM
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Jeeeeze!!!

They need to start going Stalin on people over there. Remember the border fence? All the money disappeared, now this. A tank on the battlefield that can't move is just a target and quickly a coffin.



https://112.ua/obshchestvo/v-minobor...rt-418566.html
So 3 of 35 tanks out on the training field for testing after refurbishment had engine failure. Yes, the entire country is doomed now.
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Old 11-03-2017, 05:19 PM
 
Location: Finland
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When the Russian 1st Guards Tank Division starts rolling, the towing companies will have a looooot of work. I dare to claim that maybe 80% of the Russian materiel in storage is totally unusable.

He who laughs last laughs the best.
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Old 11-04-2017, 08:55 AM
 
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When the Russian 1st Guards Tank Division starts rolling, the towing companies will have a looooot of work. I dare to claim that maybe 80% of the Russian materiel in storage is totally unusable.

He who laughs last laughs the best.
I've seen and been through a tank grave yard somewhere around Tver. Old T-55s T-62s and T-72s. They were in a forest just sitting there. Many had been picked over, wire stripped out of them some engines gone insides rusted. Of the 80 or so vehicles in this area 5 guys with a shed and the proper equipment could probably get 30 to 40% of them in working order inside 60 days. How dependable they would be is another story. They'd certainly get about 300 hours out of them right out of the gate. The Syrians have some going over 8000 hours still in the front line. The key to keeping those things in the field is logistics. If the Russian "tow trucks" can keep up like they did in WWII keeping things in the field will not be a problem. They were no less than steller. Your friends in the wehrmacht were very distressed over how fast those Ivans in their GAZ trucks could turn a T-34 around.

Modern Russian tanks seem to be little different. Designed for little maintenance easy access to vital systems for repair. An M1 Abrams has a shot out main gun barrel? Take it back to the factory because you need to remove the whole turret to replace it. All you need for a T-90 is 2 guys in a pickup. They unscrew the old barrel and screw in a new one. 13 minutes.

What happened in Ukraine is understandable if your logistics system is non functional. The guys at the depot had to resort to scavenging and cannibalizing other tanks to make ones that work, There's always going to be a failure rate. The managers didn't give a damn if they were in good condition or not all that mattered was the delivery and the exchange of funds. That's reprehensible. You can find good stuff in a tank park. You just need to know what you have and what the condition of the material is.

The management in that process needs to be taken out and shot. Period.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Leopard 2's can well be repaired in the field.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:17 PM
 
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So 3 of 35 tanks out on the training field for testing after refurbishment had engine failure. Yes, the entire country is doomed now.
Thank you for proving the point that you either willfully distort information, have no language comprehension skills, are lazy or are just posting crap.

35 tanks broke down in the field at a training center. 3 were taken back for testing and inspection. All 3 had problems with wear and they were not new as they were supposed to be when the Ukrainian government payed for them.

There's many reasons for this and they all come under the headings of stupidity, negligence, lack of due diligence and corruption.
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