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Old 11-22-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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This is another reason Russia screwed up. Had they invaded this warlordism wouldn't be happening. They need to go in and off these warlords with a quickness.

It's all pretty murky now, but the scuttlebutt has it that Plotnitsky has fled LNR (for Russia, presumably) while Zakarchenko has dispatched DNR troops to aid Kornets takeover.

Many are suggesting that this is a first step in unifying the two pseudo-republics into one, and that Kornet is Zakharchenko's man so to speak. It's hard to believe that this little coup thing would have taken place without Moscow's input, but there's a lack of good info in Russian media - they seem just as confused as everyone else.

Meanwhile in Kiev, there are ongoing clashes between protesters and police, on the Maidan anniversary.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1DM28G
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Old 11-23-2017, 11:05 AM
 
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Ukraine accuses Russia of supporting interior min. Igor Kornet by stepping in to stop the fighting from intensifying after militia took to the streets to protest his being sacked.

East Ukraine in Turmoil Amid Claimed ‘Coup’ in Luhansk – News From Antiwar.com

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-N...3541511368356/
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Old 11-23-2017, 02:09 PM
 
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Ukraine is not Slavic Urheimat, the steppe is not Slavic natural habitat. Steppes are the Homeland of horse riders such as the Scythians and Sarmatians. Slavs are Forest dewelers so their homeland would be Belarus and northern Ukraine. There is a reason why southern/Central Ukraine (wild fields) was sparcly populated and most cities in the area not being built until the 1700s when Russia took control. This is because the horse men were raiders and people have no where to run and hide on the open steppe, but in the forest you can hide and horses have a harder time traveling through.
I am afraid that their history assumes the Slavs as a nomadic people on horseback.
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Old 11-23-2017, 05:48 PM
 
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Apparently in Luhansk it's quieted down.
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Old 11-25-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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Plotnitsky has apparently resigned.

Slightly graphic video. Kinda sad too.

The nutters tried to pull some shenanigans during the night and got shot up. Ukropeans left 3 wounded in the field. One survived. They have to tell a guys mother he is dead on his cell phone.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnoq6bPkErw

Shakeasswilly thinks he can save Ukraine. He does need a real job, he'll take whatever he can get I guess.

Saakashvili Tells Protesters In Kiev He Is Ready To Become Ukraine’s Prime Minister
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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Read it and weep.

Defending Ukraine’s Revolution Against Ukraine’s Leaders

Nothing in Ukraine has changed, we all know that. Politicians being bought by oligarchs for their own ends while the people struggle.

There's rumors of another revolt. Maybe this time they'll burn the rats out of their nests.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:35 PM
 
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Apparently in Luhansk it's quieted down.
As I've said before - LNR is a troubled place; it has its specifics comparably to DNR.
While DNR is "Soviet light" with people like Zakharchenko in charge (I'm sure Tzarev would fit in,) and balancing private business with Socialist ideas, LNR was "ultra-left" from the get-go from what I saw.
That's why so many of its original leaders were assassinated I think. Otherwise LNR wouldn't be easily controlled by the "grey cardinals" out there.
When it comes to DNR however, I see it more or less as the right path for Russia - what it SHOULD HAVE been, if not for hand-picked by IMF and Harvard Chubais, Gaidar et al))) And if not for total incompetency of Yeltsin and his compliance with US authorities.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:54 PM
 
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As I've said before - LNR is a troubled place; it has its specifics comparably to DNR.
While DNR is "Soviet light" with people like Zakharchenko in charge (I'm sure Tzarev would fit in,) and balancing private business with Socialist ideas, LNR was "ultra-left" from the get-go from what I saw.
That's why so many of its original leaders were assassinated I think. Otherwise LNR wouldn't be easily controlled by the "grey cardinals" out there.
When it comes to DNR however, I see it more or less as the right path for Russia - what it SHOULD HAVE been, if not for hand-picked by IMF and Harvard Chubais, Gaidar et al))) And if not for total incompetency of Yeltsin and his compliance with US authorities.
Comrade erasure your capacity to bs with straight face is amazing. Both made up entities have no agenda other than that of the russian occupiers from day #1. To assign any independent aspirations or agenda to the colloborants in "DNR" and "LNR" is ridiculous. Sure russians cull their puppets for a multitude of reasons, cover-up being the most obvious reason.
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Old 11-25-2017, 02:56 PM
 
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Erasure.

Yeah I guess so. I'm not so sure just went on but if there's going to be people shedding blood to gain or preserve their power it's good for no one. I think those troops were Russian special forces or FSB types too with some DNR thrown in for support if they needed it. They were not Russian regulars. The LNRs militias/armed forces stayed in the front line and did not take anyone to the city is what I'm hearing. The Ukies tried to take some liberties and got their butts waxed, 15 or 20 casualties. They thought the LNR had taken troops out of the front line.
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