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Old 11-14-2017, 04:01 AM
 
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I guess when a thug will whack comrade Erasure on the side of her head his grand grand children can claim that their grand daddy took the "power" of comrade Erasure with him and thus they (grandchildren) are the true owners of everything that descendants of comrade Erasure own. This analogy illustrates the main premise of the Russian imperial myth.

But here is a very simple memory aid on the Russian history. No Mongols=No Muscovy=No Russia as we know it. Mongols are the key nation building element here.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:38 AM
 
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But here is a very simple memory aid on the Russian history. No Mongols=No Muscovy=No Russia as we know it. Mongols are the key nation building element here.
Mongols were a problem. And Rus decided this problem. Rise of Moscow is a matter of chance. It could be Novgorod, Tver, Kiev, Vladimir or other city.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:43 AM
 
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Slavic Homeland are the forested swamps of southern Belarus.
More likely, there were 2 migration flows from a Elbe side. One was more ancient northern stream (Pskov, Ladoga, Novgorod). Second was later central-southern: Kiev, North-Eastern Rus.
The path from the Varangians to the Greeks connected these streams and formed the state.
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Old 11-14-2017, 09:41 AM
 
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A good read. Russka, Edward Rutherfurd. It starts off 2000 years in the past and traces the history of Russia to the 19th century.
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Old 11-14-2017, 12:21 PM
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Both countries are mixed with people from all over east and south of there. So is the rest of Europe actually...

The Korsun "massacre" was debunked 3 years ago, I honestly forgot that anybody would take that seriously. It matters that Russians rely on made up events to justify their aggression (like their Nazi allies 78 years ago).
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:09 PM
 
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What Korsun massacre? I know of the battle of the Korsun pocket where the Russians waxed the Germans. If you're referring to what happened to the Crimean people on those busses it had a significant impact. Make no mistake of that.
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Old 11-14-2017, 06:54 PM
 
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What Korsun massacre? I know of the battle of the Korsun pocket where the Russians waxed the Germans. If you're referring to what happened to the Crimean people on those busses it had a significant impact. Make no mistake of that.
Same place. That's where it all happened with the buses ( they were on their way home to Crimea, after attending the protest rally ( anti-Maidan) in Kiev.
Which, of course, was all "debunked" by "patriotic Ukrainians. Sort of like they *debunked* the events in Odessa, where they burned 40+people alive.
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Old 11-15-2017, 02:24 AM
 
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Bogolyubsky genetically was more asiatic than slavic
Do you think other princes of Kiev were slavic? They were Rus.
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:17 AM
 
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Do you think other princes of Kiev were slavic? They were Rus.
They were of Scandinavian origin ( not Slavic) to begin with, the question is what their wives were, and what does it make their offsprings?
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Old 11-15-2017, 10:32 AM
 
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Same place. That's where it all happened with the buses ( they were on their way home to Crimea, after attending the protest rally ( anti-Maidan) in Kiev.
Which, of course, was all "debunked" by "patriotic Ukrainians. Sort of like they *debunked* the events in Odessa, where they burned 40+people alive.
What the Ukrainians did concerning those 2 incidents is enough to place entire peoples on edge. What happened in those regions during WWII will make the hair on your neck stand up if you read about it. My own wifes eldest aunt was born in a bunker in the Pripyet marshes hiding from Ukrainian Hiwis. Her mother had fled there because they were terrified of what was happening to people in the villages. Many were taken to Germany as slave labor and that was some of the better outcomes.

All this stuff was remembered not so much through official history but by peoples memories passed down. Those idiots broke open some old wounds and it's a big reason the people of the east took up arms against the government.
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