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Old 03-02-2022, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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AND . . . with Ukraine request for NATO member and its agreement to install NATO's nuclear arsenal, the Ukraine broke the agreement.
Russia has ignored the agreement all along - but you don't fault them at all for that. Since Russia has ignored all provisions of the agreement, repeatedly - and Ukraine is under threat and indeed under attack from Russia, recently Ukraine has floated the idea of returning to nuclear statehood. Which actually makes perfect sense. But you say see - Ukraine broke the agreement! LOL, comrade Yorktown, your ardent embrace of Russia, your vigorous defense of even the worst things they do, and your anti-Ukrainian and anti-American spin are downright comical.
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Old 03-02-2022, 11:29 AM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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I understand that Russia has lots of raw materials in such a large country, and that excluding that source will raise prices. But I think when you have an aggressive tyrant commanding a large military and invading a weaker neighbor, you can't just wag your finger and say "Tsk, tsk, tsk! Bad boy!". We need to stay out of a shooting war, but we can fight back economically. Even people who don't care about anything but themselves, should understand that when you acquiesce to aggression against someone else, another person might be next, and it might be you. The mistake of the allies in the 1930s was not to respond to Hitler, nations didn't want to get involved - appeasement doesn't work, it only encourages more aggression.

Putin isn't Hitler. Everyone these days is Hitler though. Saddam was Hitler, too, for a few weeks when that analogy suited people.



Putin is an autocratic ruler of Russia and needs to be seen in that light. Hitler was a special case with a personal racialist ideology that guided him more so than anything else.



And this comparison is downright irresponsible, because when you say he's Hitler, then you say you need to make war against him and Russia. Because after all, who wouldn't go all out to stop Hitler? Beating Hitler in war was the most noble deed of the 20th century.



But putting Russia into that corner where they're monsters who need to be all killed is actually the riskiest thing. It's like telling that crazy ex-con showing up to your house with a gun that he has no future and is just a waste of space. Does that make it more or less likely that he's gonna blow you away?



In my opinion, and I think I can back this with historical facts, Russia is an adversary far more dangerous when they're on the defensive than when they're on the offensive. In fact, Russia's lackluster current progress in Ukraine shows their army isn't all that when operating in attack vs another country. It's when they feel cornered and in desperate defense that they get formidable.


Pushing them deeper and deeper into that corner in the hope the Russians turn on Putin is a dangerous, dangerous game.
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Old 03-02-2022, 11:37 AM
 
Location: South Bay Native
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Putin isn't Hitler. Everyone these days is Hitler though. Saddam was Hitler, too, for a few weeks when that analogy suited people.



Putin is an autocratic ruler of Russia and needs to be seen in that light. Hitler was a special case with a personal racialist ideology that guided him more so than anything else.



And this comparison is downright irresponsible, because when you say he's Hitler, then you say you need to make war against him and Russia. Because after all, who wouldn't go all out to stop Hitler? Beating Hitler in war was the most noble deed of the 20th century.



But putting Russia into that corner where they're monsters who need to be all killed is actually the riskiest thing. It's like telling that crazy ex-con showing up to your house with a gun that he has no future and is just a waste of space. Does that make it more or less likely that he's gonna blow you away?



In my opinion, and I think I can back this with historical facts, Russia is an adversary far more dangerous when they're on the defensive than when they're on the offensive. In fact, Russia's lackluster current progress in Ukraine shows their army isn't all that when operating in attack vs another country. It's when they feel cornered and in desperate defense that they get formidable.


Pushing them deeper and deeper into that corner in the hope the Russians turn on Putin is a dangerous, dangerous game.
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Old 03-02-2022, 11:44 AM
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Location: Raleigh, NC
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Bill Roggio is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and editor of FDD's Long war Journal. From 1991 to 1997, Roggio served as a signalman and infantryman in the U.S. Army and New Jersey National Guard

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...LL-ROGGIO.html
Not just the West's opposition. At the United Nations, only 5 countries supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Russia (obviously), Belarus, Cuba, North Korea, and Syria. That's it. And, to be honest, not the kind of countries anyone would want to be associated with. 141 were in opposition, and come from around the globe. Russia's unprovoked war on Ukraine continues to unite the world against their actions in a way that would have been hard to fathom only a few weeks ago.
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Old 03-02-2022, 11:46 AM
 
Location: SE UK
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Not just the West's opposition. At the United Nations, only 5 countries supported Russia's invasion of Ukraine: Russia (obviously), Belarus, Cuba, North Korea, and Syria. That's it. 141 were in opposition, and come from around the globe. Russia's unprovoked war on Ukraine continues to unite the world against their actions in a way that would have been hard to fathom only a few weeks ago.
These are all horrendous places to live, the North Koreans are the closest thing on the planet to 'The Borg'! How can people still be living under such horrendous governments in the 21st Century is beyond me it really is.
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Old 03-02-2022, 11:58 AM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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Another effect from this war are the thousands of Ukrainians that were touristing in other countries and now are stuck with no money, not able to use their Ukrainian credit cards, no flights to Ukraine, etc.

Right now in the Dominican Republic there are around 3,000 Ukrainian tourists and over 2,000 of them are facing these precarious conditions. Yesterday the Honorary Consul of the Ukraine in the Dominican Republic went on national TV asking for help from the DR and to meet the president given the situation. She even broke down and started crying while on air.

This afternoon she will meet with the Dominican president at the National Palace. The Dominican government has said it will give humanitarian help to the Ukrainian tourists stuck in the DR, but as of now no details of what this help will be.

Extra officially it’s said that the Minister of Tourism reached an agreement with several resorts companies to allow the Ukrainian tourists to stay in their resorts. It seems the Dominican government will pay for their stay, but no further details on this too.

The reality is that more money is spent by the Dominican government on nonsense on a yearly basis, that it could easily pay for everything the 3,000 Ukrainians need while the Ukraine is suffering the invasion. Further development of this will be posted here.

I wonder what is the situation of Ukrainian tourists in other countries.

https://www.diariolibre.com/actualid...-en-rd/1681495
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Old 03-02-2022, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Somewhere on the Moon.
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By the way, many of the Ukrainian tourists arrived to the DR on Russian airline AEROFLOT and now the airline doesn’t want to help them get back to Europe. AEROFLOT is sending a special flight to the DR with the purpose of evacuating any Russian citizens currently in the DR and want to leave back to Russia. Nothing for the Ukrainians. Not even the ones that bought a flight to Europe on that airline. What a horrible airline!!!!
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Old 03-02-2022, 12:11 PM
 
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... And now these bastards ( Azov) are blocking the "safe passages" for civilians to leave Mariupol.
The Russians left two "corridors" for civilians to leave the city, but the vermin put the mines there.
( And of course, once the civilians are going to be blown up, the images will fly through CNN and BBC with the captioning "Russians are targeting Ukrainian civilians."


That's how it works nowadays.

Unfortunately, Mariupol is strategically important city for the Russian troops, so they can't block it without entering the city and keep on moving, avoiding the civilian casualties as much as possible.

They have to take control of Mariupol, and unfortunately, Mariupol is Azov's military base.

So the Nazi do what the Nazi always do, so I expect more civilian casualties to come in that city.

Of course Azov is not the only Nationalist Battalion operating in Donbass;

I can think of other few, less known in the West; "Tornado," "Aidar," Shakhtyorsk," "Donbass."

All this Nazi vermin is there, in Donbass, and now with OSCE gone, they keep on flattening Ukrainian cities and villages, ( targeting Donetsk as much as they can,) and killing civilians.
They don't care.

They always KNEW that that's the part of the country that was a threat to their regime and they are ready to destroy it in their last revenge.

I don't care about Putin, but this Nazi vermin MUST go.

8:41 Ukrainian troops are targeting Donetsk and its civilians out in the open, once the OSCE is gone.


The Nazi that they are.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUED8NDaNBs
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Old 03-02-2022, 12:17 PM
 
Location: Northern Virginia
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By the way, many of the Ukrainian tourists arrived to the DR on Russian airline AEROFLOT and now the airline doesn’t want to help them get back to Europe. AEROFLOT is sending a special flight to the DR with the purpose of evacuating any Russian citizens currently in the DR and want to leave back to Russia. Nothing for the Ukrainians. Not even the ones that bought a flight to Europe on that airline. What a horrible airline!!!!

Well, it's a little complicated isn't it? Aeroflot can't fly them back to Ukraine. Flying them to any other country could require those Ukrainian citizens to be in possession of visas etc. for those countries. And of course Aeroflot is banned from many European countries now anyway.



I'd be surprised if those Ukrainians actually wanted to fly with the state airline of the country their country is now at war with.
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Old 03-02-2022, 12:25 PM
 
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AND . . . with Ukraine request for NATO member and its agreement to install NATO's nuclear arsenal, the Ukraine broke the agreement.
The memorandum doesn't mention NATO at all.

Russia broke the agreement when they annexed Crimea and parts of Donbass in 2014.

Maybe check up on this stuff before you post.
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