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Old 03-25-2022, 12:23 PM
 
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yeah, that was a big mistake. should've invested more in nuclear.
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Old 03-25-2022, 01:35 PM
 
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putin has done much good for the west. increased germany's military spending at NATO levels. sweden has increased its spending to NATO levels as well.
We will see how long the increased spending last, especially as inflation takes hold. What occurs weeks after a conflict doesn't matter. It's what happens years after.
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Old 03-25-2022, 01:40 PM
 
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Agree, western europe buying a big chunk of their energy from Russia...
gee, what could go wrong
I wouldn't fault European leaders. Economics rule at the end of the day. They purchased their energy from Russia because it was the cheapest. Nuclear and LNG gas cost 2X as much. China will continue to purchase Russia oil and gas (likely at a discount now), and as a result will be able to continue selling products for less than their U.S. and European competitors.
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Old 03-25-2022, 04:13 PM
 
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We will see how long the increased spending last, especially as inflation takes hold. What occurs weeks after a conflict doesn't matter. It's what happens years after.
america is falling apart from inside. so it's necessary to have some sort of european defence alliance.
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Old 03-25-2022, 04:48 PM
 
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america is falling apart from inside. so it's necessary to have some sort of european defence alliance.
What you're saying here isn't entirely wrong. The 2 party system here is coming soon to a grinding halt - too many people clustering on either extreme of the political spectrum.
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Old 03-25-2022, 06:37 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I'd suggest (Trump aside), that western Europeans were every bit as guilty, if not more so, than America.
This is true! A week or two ago, they admitted that they thought the threat was overblown, and it would never come to war. They said, they thought Biden's info from the intelligence agencies stating months ago, that there was going to be a war with Ukraine, was wrong. They simply couldn't conceive of a war breaking out in their midst.

A good example of what happens, when you bury your head in the sand.
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Old 03-25-2022, 08:54 PM
 
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This is true! A week or two ago, they admitted that they thought the threat was overblown, and it would never come to war. They said, they thought Biden's info from the intelligence agencies stating months ago, that there was going to be a war with Ukraine, was wrong. They simply couldn't conceive of a war breaking out in their midst.

A good example of what happens, when you bury your head in the sand.
It's true. When President Putin spoke to the EU, the USA media said he was crazy.

He really was at this wits end, exasperated, because he wasn't being heard.

President Putin finally had enough.
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Old 03-25-2022, 09:01 PM
 
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This is a very interesting video and worth the eight minutes of time:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ron-on-ukraine

It's the first place were it states that if Ukraine joined NATO, then NATO would attack Russia over Crimea. Basically, Putin knew that Russia would be attacked and he invaded before Ukraine was prepared. Puts a different spin on it.

It makes it clear Ukraine refused to discuss the Neo-Nazi in eastern Ukraine with Russia. Again, puts a different spin on it.

A quote that the USA government would never endorse.

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Russia is European,” Mr. Macron said. “Whoever believes in Europe must know how to work with Russia and find the ways and the means to construct the European future among Europeans.

Mr. Macron said both the West and Russia needed to get over the traumas of the past and build “useful solutions.” He said the “first priority” of his visit was to secure military stability and avert war “in the short term.” Discussions could then continue to build “medium-term solutions.”

“Can NATO solve the whole question of our collective security?” Mr. Macron said. “I don’t believe so.”

The French president offered few details of his ideas, but said they would involve rethinking post-Cold War security arrangements because “there is no security for Europeans if there is not security for Russia.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/w...e-ukraine.html
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Old 03-25-2022, 09:22 PM
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This is a very interesting video and worth the eight minutes of time:

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...ron-on-ukraine

It's the first place were it states that if Ukraine joined NATO, then NATO would attack Russia over Crimea. Basically, Putin knew that Russia would be attacked and he invaded before Ukraine was prepared. Puts a different spin on it.

It makes it clear Ukraine refused to discuss the Neo-Nazi in eastern Ukraine with Russia. Again, puts a different spin on it.

A quote that the USA government would never endorse.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/07/w...e-ukraine.html
It sounds like Macron is trying to find a way for Russia to end the war without it looking like a colossal failure for Russia. The longer the war goes, the harder that is going to be, though.
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Old 03-25-2022, 10:09 PM
 
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The future of Ukraine looking better each day - and they celebrate with such zest for their freedom. I see an uptick in future Ukrainian tourism when this atrocity ends.

Ukrainian civilians in Kherson play "Bayraktar" for the Russians as they protest against the occupation:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/com...bayraktar_for/
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