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Uh huh. So invading (negotiating, hahahaha) other countries in order to theoretically save a million people in the unforeseeable future is laudable. Understandable. Honorable, even.
No it was very "foreseeable" indeed - I am talking about the specific situation during the WWII, and yes, million people ended up dead, because of this territorial dispute.
( Someone on another thread brought that subject of the *innocent Finland,* and "savage Russia," that's why I am referring to it now.)
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What circular thinking then brings you around to rationalizing threatening a nuclear war on humanity, potentially killing billions of people in order to save a few people in Eastern Ukraine?
It's not about "saving few people in Eastern Ukraine," really.
The nuclear war meter goes up as soon as the US/NATO countries decide to install the hostile puppet regime on the Russian border.
So at this point, when Putin realized that the problem is only mushrooming and ballooning ( instead of dissipating as he was hoping initially) here comes his delayed reaction.
If he'd REALLY cared about "saving lives in the Eastern Ukraine" (not "few", but thousands of them actually,) then he'd taken over the Russian speaking South-East at the same time as he took over Crimea.
But now he is solving the geopolitical problem of his state, a viable threat to it, using these people as an excuse.
That's not my statement, that's how one of the Russians/Ukrainians described it on-line, and I think he is correct.
Viktor Yanukovich was a thief on a grand scale - he stole billions from Ukraine. Moreover, he was loyal to Moscow, not Ukraine - it's not an accident that he lives in Russia now. And, he had his security forces shoot unarmed Ukrainian protesters. How anyone (outside of Russia) could think that having a person like that controlling Ukraine should have continued, I have no idea.
Russian nazis run this thread for 8 years already, if there is anybody reading this thread be aware that russian info troopers lead by veteran sturmbannführer Erasure with a few sidekicks provide the bulk of the twisted content here. You might as well read Russian propaganda sites directly without mediation of this thread, a diary of a sad state of the imperial nazi soul of Russia.
Why I am a New Yorker, born and bred. I have relatives in Poland and the Ukraine. I can report that Erasure is saying is true.
There is a massive amount of propaganda in the TV/Cable News - both on the right and the left on this issue. We, Americans, have seen it before with the windup to the 2003 Iraq War with Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.
How many times did the The White House swore Saddam was responsible for 9/11 when fifteen of the hijackers were Saudi Arabians?
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President George W. Bush was obsessed with the Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and deliberately misled the American people about who was responsible for the 9/11 attack
And, the continuing lies about how much progress the USA was making in Afghanistan.
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For two decades, Americans have told each other one lie after another about the war in Afghanistan. The lies have come from the White House, Congress, the State Department, the Pentagon, and the CIA, as well as from Hollywood, cable news pundits, journalists, and the broader culture.
Americans have hungered for a simple storyline, with heroes and villains, to make sense of the longest war in U.S. history. They have wanted stories like “12 Strong” to make them feel good. But at the very edge of the American empire, the war was nasty and brutish, and brought out in Americans the same imperial arrogance that doomed the U.S. involvement in Vietnam.
U.S. policy in Afghanistan, and the government’s message to the American people about it, have been built on lies and delusions for almost the entire course of the war. The American people, having swallowed those lies, are now aghast.
Officials for Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, France, Spain, the Netherlands, Italy, Austria and Iceland have all announced that they are closing their airspace to flights from Russia. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/27/cana...an-planes.html
So it's also legitimate for NATO and eastern european state to try to destroy russia in order to not being attack by russians?
The logic work both ways.
Yes, the logic works both ways indeed, except for in the case I described earlier, the intent to kill/destroy by Nazi Germany that city was very real, a clear cut. And it was not for a reason of self-defense.
But when it comes to "to not to be attacked by Russia" - the reasons/motives behind such statements are very questionable.
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You talk about a imaginary scenario based on old event.
Nobody want war in europe except russia on nobody would attack you.
And Russia would "want attack"... exactly why?
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The only imperialism nowaday are russians who provide people from getting their freedom.
What prevents Russians from "getting their freedom" is a constant attempt to meddle in their affairs by yet another "imperialism" - that would be the US.
The 90ies were the ultimate proof of it.
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Countries aren't friendly with russians because you threaten their independance.
The only way the capitalist, corporatist Russia threatens anyone's independence is in economic way.
But that's what the capitalist countries do as in "we'll hit you with economic sanctions, or cripple your banking sector." ( Sounds familiar?)
But Russia doesn't have leverage in the international banking sector, ( as far as I know,) but it can have it in other economic areas - do I need to mention in which ones?
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Without this there would be no problem.
Without what exactly ( now that I straightened out somewhat you misguided perceptions)?
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You have already stole many land to finlandians and commit genocide on them.
"Genocide on Finland?"
That's something new for me.
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Why commit one more?
Because the previous experience proved that the threats to Russian state are very real ones indeed, as in case with Leningrad.
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Where will you stop?
It all depends on the Russian military commanders I assume.
Once they feel that their country is out of danger and "in the clear," then they stop.
Viktor Yanukovich was a thief on a grand scale - he stole billions from Ukraine. Moreover, he was loyal to Moscow, not Ukraine - it's not an accident that he lives in Russia now. And, he had his security forces shoot unarmed Ukrainian protesters. How anyone (outside of Russia) could think that having a person like that controlling Ukraine should have continued, I have no idea.
So is Poroshenko and the rest of this puppet government, that replaced Yanukovich.
Russia has shut down many of Ukraine's vital telecommunication networks, inculding their internet services. Elon Musk has made internet service available to Ukrainians via his StarLink satellite network. It is heartening to see so many trying to come to Ukraine's aid in their darkest hour.
Why I am a New Yorker, born and bred. I have relatives in Poland and the Ukraine. I can report that Erasure is saying is true.
There is a massive amount of propaganda in the TV/Cable News - both on the right and the left on this issue. We, Americans, have seen it before with the windup to the 2003 Iraq War with Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction.
How many times did the The White House swore Saddam was responsible for 9/11 when fifteen of the hijackers were Saudi Arabians?
If you don't like my links, you can google it and find many other sources.
So why do you believe the same govt and media that have lying to for the last twenty years?
You either lie or you are just a slow witted contrarian if you allege that 8 years worth of imperialist nazi drivel by sturmbannführer Erasure is based in reality. Russian and culturally russified emigrants to USA frequently share russian imperial nazism comrade Erasure embraced, they grew up in that Russian supremacist cesspool and they take its stench for parfume. Sorry I am not interested in debating your or comrade Erasure kind. The truth is out there, a lot of it. Debating with nazis and nazi sympathizers is pointless. I just want to warn a few remaining fresh readers of this thread that they just might tune in to official Russian propaganda and mythology instead of reading 8 years worth of Russian nazi bs in this thread.
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