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Old 12-07-2021, 03:35 PM
 
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Some things the clowns in brussels are demanding from countries are just what you had from the Soviets. Ultimate power lay in the hands of those in Moscow, now it appears that the EU overlords are trying to do the same thing.

I suspect Poland will knuckle under soon followed by Hungary.

Seems you might have just switched masters.

It's in fact much worse and drawing parallels is hard - before 1989 USSR was a great power, today the EU is just a weird delusion supported by Ukraine (also: Makedonia...). Not to mention how there was a referendum (fake or not) if some countries wanted to join USSR - there was no such referendum for the eu here and ironically we now have a "pro-russian" (understand: non-eu-ass-kissing-party) who promise referendum for leaving the eu...I mean the logic is hilarious and it's against the idiots who want to be part of this "union".
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Old 12-07-2021, 04:15 PM
 
Location: BC Canada
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I think we can fully expect Russia to invade the Ukraine the same time as China invades Taiwan.

As far as the Ukraine is concerned, outside of financial, trade, and diplomatic measure, the US shouldn't get involved. I know it's fashionable in Europe to blame the US for basically everything but this is a European conflict so let Europe figure it out.

Europe has far more economic power over Russia than the US and combined has a massive military. The Ukraine is not a NATO member so no members are obligated to come to it's defense including the US & Canada. If Europe goes crying the blues looking for help in how to deal with a potential Russian/Ukrainian military conflict I really hope Biden tells them unceremoniously to go to hell, grab some balls, stop being so damn hypocritical and deal with it yourselves.
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Old 12-08-2021, 03:47 AM
 
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It's OK, they are already done talking, and by certain indications coming from Washington at this point, Biden made some concessions in exchange for Putin's promise ( I assume) to not to attack Ukraine.

It looks like the diplomatic relations between Russia and US are going to be restored after all, and the negotiations will continue on different levels.

It looks like the new ambassador is going to be appointed to Ukraine, which might signal the US change of course all together when it comes to Ukraine.

If it's a case, amen to all that.

At least that's the preliminary report I hear so far from the Eastern Ukraine.


From what Strana UA is reporting, the most sensitive points for Russia were removed from American military budget, such as sanctions against 35 people close to Putin, sanctions against Russian sovereign debt, and it looks like sanctions against the NS 2 were removed too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5stdftoUro4


Obviously, if Russia would have attacked, it would have been too much of a risk of losing Ukraine as a state all together, plus the real danger of the proceeding nuclear war between the US and Russia.

So Putin calculated it all well, while amassing troops on the border with Ukraine.
Just my 2 cents.
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Old 12-08-2021, 07:31 AM
 
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It's OK, they are already done talking, and by certain indications coming from Washington at this point, Biden made some concessions in exchange for Putin's promise ( I assume) to not to attack Ukraine.

It looks like the diplomatic relations between Russia and US are going to be restored after all, and the negotiations will continue on different levels.

It looks like the new ambassador is going to be appointed to Ukraine, which might signal the US change of course all together when it comes to Ukraine.

If it's a case, amen to all that.

At least that's the preliminary report I hear so far from the Eastern Ukraine.


From what Strana UA is reporting, the most sensitive points for Russia were removed from American military budget, such as sanctions against 35 people close to Putin, sanctions against Russian sovereign debt, and it looks like sanctions against the NS 2 were removed too.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5stdftoUro4


Obviously, if Russia would have attacked, it would have been too much of a risk of losing Ukraine as a state all together, plus the real danger of the proceeding nuclear war between the US and Russia.

So Putin calculated it all well, while amassing troops on the border with Ukraine.
Just my 2 cents.
^bold one is too bad. NS2 already paid for itself without even running - with gas prices this fall. Few more months plus US sanctions on it would have brought triple that amount to Russia. There is already a joke out there: "Hospitals in St. Petersburg are overloaded with Gasprom managers with champagne overdose ". But with sanctions removed now it'll be just business as usual - not as profitable as with sanctions. Too bad. Please, can Russia ask for more sanctions?
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Old 12-08-2021, 08:45 AM
 
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The sanctions have been aeat the home now pays 80 or 90 euro a month.boon for Russia.

https://www.rt.com/business/542539-r...p-switzerland/

The crap flying around about NS2 has only made energy prices skyrocket in Europe. Over 300%. A German who used to pay 20 euro to heat his home now pays 80 or 90

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Old 12-08-2021, 02:01 PM
 
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The sanctions have been aeat the home now pays 80 or 90 euro a month.boon for Russia.

https://www.rt.com/business/542539-r...p-switzerland/

The crap flying around about NS2 has only made energy prices skyrocket in Europe. Over 300%. A German who used to pay 20 euro to heat his home now pays 80 or 90
Russophobia should be very, very expensive.
And it's getting more expensive daily.
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Old 12-11-2021, 10:33 AM
 
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So.
It's not over till it's over and this is the catch 22 that I see, even after the latest negotiations between Biden and Putin, that were conducted ( and ended) in civilized manner as it should be.

The caveat here is the same Donbass question ( LDNR) that haunts now Putin ( and everyone else involved,) because he didn't make the right decision on the chess board to begin with, and didn't take over the Eastern Ukraine when he took over Crimea.

The betrayal never pays well, as in the case of 30 silver coins.

So back in 2014/2015 (don't remember the details now, since there were Minsk I and Minsk II agreements,) when new Ukrainian government was trying to advance militarily to the rebellious Eastern areas, the *Russians* ( be that the Donbass rebels or the actual Russian soldiers - I don't care at this point,) counter-attacked, and handed the Ukrainians their a***es on the plate, after which Poroshenko asked for peace. ( He didn't want the further advancement of the Eastern forces, since the situation was unstable in Ukraine anyways, with the new presidency being unpopular in the South Eastern regions.)
This distaste for the new government in the South-Eastern regions was used by Putin ( or he rather hoped to use it for his own advantage) as the future *road map* for the Ukrainian "decentralization" or Federalization, with Donbass region leading in anti-Poroshenko movement among other South-Eastern regions. ( That's why Lugansk republic was separated from Donetsk republic by the order coming from Moscow, in order to have more different federal subjects in Ukraine, loyal to Russia. ( To Russia, not necessarily Putin, as it was a case. There is a difference here.)

Which was a no-no thing for Ukrainian nationalists hailing from the Western part of the country, that wanted to establish their nationalistic state from Lvov to Donetsk, while expelling or killing everyone who dared to resist.

And one of the major provisions of the new peace agreement made in the "Normandy format" ( i.e. with participation of France and Germany,) was precisely that - the "special Donbass status," which granted it to vote for its own local authorities, independent from Kiev.
Only on this condition Donbass (sorry LDNR) would remain in Ukraine.

But that's precisely what was driving the Ukrainian nationalists mad - this particular point, plus the fact that Russia wouldn't pass the control of Ukrainian border to Ukraine, until this point ( among with few others) would be implemented, and Ukrainian constitution would be changed in order to accommodate the special status for Donbass.

They considered it as the ultimate victory of Putin, being weary of the future gradual disintegration of Ukraine, since the other South Eastern regions that hated Ukrainian nationalism could have followed the disintegration process.

And that's why the "Minsk agreement" stalled for many years, while the Ukrainian government hoped that it could be changed with time ( sure the West can see the pitfalls of it, they reasoned, the "Russian aggression," its "interference in internal Ukrainian affairs" and the rest.)
They hoped all these years that the West would put enough of pressure on Putin, so that he would cave in, and change these particular provisions ( the special status of Donbass and thus Federalization of Ukraine.)
But Putin didn't budge, as much as Ukrainian government squealed and complained to the Western powers.

Putin in his turn couldn't act any different, since the whole Donbass issue became a national affair for Russia, and he couldn't betray the region for the second time.

This would make him to look like a loser, while he was trying to come across as a winner, as the result of all these manipulations, that costed dearly to Donbass people ( and Eastern Ukraine in general.)

Meanwhile, growing desperate, Kiev ( or rather Ukrainian nationalist military forces that were stationed on the LDNR border,) were becoming more and more brazen, viciously shelling the uncontrolled territories, targeting the civilian infrastructure and civilians themselves.

They felt invincible at that, since the Western governments were remaining silent over this growing aggression and violation of the peace treaty, and as much as Putin/Russian government was trying to bring it to the attention of the Western governments lately, this was falling on the deaf ears, since Russia was already appointed as the "guilty party."
Even after Kiev amassed its troops on the LDNR borders threatening the invasion, in clear violation of any peace agreements.

At this point Putin said enough is enough and moved HIS troops to Ukrainian border.

This finally got the Western attention and Biden was willing to sit down for the negotiations.

Which was long overdue.

So what's the result of it all in perspective?

The negotiations will go on, Russians are willing to bring the US on board of the Normandy format ( since Ukraine is a puppet state and the commands are coming from Washington anyway, they reason,)

but the issue of Donbass and the breakaway republics will be back on the table the way it is.

Because this issue didn't go anywhere, and it's not Moscow but Kiev that's in violation of the Minsk agreement - the provisions of it.

Yet, if Moscow will have it its way, that's the ultimate loss of game for Ukrainian nationalists/post-Maidan government in Kiev, and the reaction will follow I assume.



( That's the scoop of it, if I won't go any further into this whole official bottom line of "no more NATO expansion to Russia's borders.")

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Old 12-11-2021, 11:53 AM
 
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Several news sources are saying Russia is going to attack the Ukraine by January of next year.

Do you think this will happen?
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Old 12-11-2021, 12:06 PM
 
Location: Russia
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Several news sources are saying Russia is going to attack the Ukraine by January of next year.

Do you think this will happen?
There is an old joke on this topic. It sounds like this.

Judging by the number of reports about the Russian invasion of Ukraine. This is no longer an invasion, this is friction))

In general, it depends on the economic and energy affairs in Ukraine. The worse things get, the more shouting and provocation. Otherwise, how can Kiev's economic collapse be justified?
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Old 12-11-2021, 12:24 PM
 
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Several news sources are saying Russia is going to attack the Ukraine by January of next year.

Do you think this will happen?

What do they base their logic/predictions on, exactly?

I do not completely exclude such possibility ( and not necessarily just in January,) provided ABCD will take place first, as a precondition.

Otherwise, what Tucker Carlson is saying here, makes a lot of sense.



( I am paying attention again how some *other sites* are already twisting and turning his words; "Tucker Carlson sided with Putin over Ukraine.")


https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/...104425758.html

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