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Old 01-16-2022, 09:19 AM
 
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Hearing there are UR-77 Meteorit engineering vehicles active in the areas around the Donbas along with Tyulpan heavy mortars. The Tyulpans are devastating weapons meant to destroy trench systems and fortifications. They only have a 4 mile range max but they're a mortar which means they shoot at high angles. They can drop a 203mm shell into a trench or the roof of a bunker. Also apparently 2s7 heavy cannons and other specialized kit moving around.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulOXyYxovQ




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tHjscj5Fps



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj-rP11S26Q

They aren't moving these things around for the fun of it.
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Old 01-16-2022, 07:31 PM
 
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On an insurgency in Ukraine if Russia were to occupy it. The people who think it would work are ignorant or downright delusional.

https://youtu.be/Y3J0in2NF9s
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Old 01-18-2022, 10:59 AM
 
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So, will Russia invade Ukraine?
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:23 AM
 
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So, will Russia invade Ukraine?

Hang on, a lot of things are developing there, in this never-ending soap opera.

To begin with, Zelensky decided to lock up Poroshenko ( as he locked up Medvedchuk, the unspoken leader of the "Opposition" party - basically former "Party of Regions" of Yanukovich, that votes for ties with Russia.)
Now Poroshenko ( as we know) is a leader of the "European choice" party, and while he was out of the country, Zelensky came up with "state treason" charges against him, since back in 2015 ( or whatever) P. was buying coal from the LDNR and delivering it in "Ukraine proper."
( All the previous charges in embezzlement, theft and the rest ( I mean the REAL charges against Poroshenko) were dismissed long time ago, in spite of the original promise of Ze to lock P. up, when Ze was running for presidency.

So NOW Ze decided to lock him up on totally different charges.

Poroshenko basically said "F you," and returned to Ukraine; the crowd of supporters was cheering up his return.

Ze ( or rather people working for Ze, Ukrainian court including) were afraid to arrest him ( as intended) right in the airport.

P.S. Blinken from what I understand is urgently flying to Kiev.


Kremlin is waiting for official written response from the US that was promised this week, before it will make the next move.
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:33 AM
 
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I don't see why Russia would invade Ukraine. If the Ukrainian regime is as terrible and useless as they say it is, it should surely collapse all on its own soon enough.
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Old 01-18-2022, 11:39 AM
 
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I don't see why Russia would invade Ukraine. If the Ukrainian regime is as terrible and useless as they say it is, it should surely collapse all on its own soon enough.

LDNR is becoming a pressing problem.

Since the Nationalists on the front lines are attacking them incessantly, ( and the West keeps silence about it, obviously,) this is already becoming a growing problem, that requires a resolution.
And then we are going back to the "Minsk agreement" and what it entails.


Ze is not in charge of the Nationalist battalions and they are refusing to implement that international agreement.

Now with Poroshenko back in the picture ( how much power exactly HE still has over the Nationalists is questionable at this point) things are getting interesting again.
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Old 01-18-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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Hang on, a lot of things are developing there, in this never-ending soap opera.

To begin with, Zelensky decided to lock up Poroshenko ( as he locked up Medvedchuk, the unspoken leader of the "Opposition" party - basically former "Party of Regions" of Yanukovich, that votes for ties with Russia.)
Now Poroshenko ( as we know) is a leader of the "European choice" party, and while he was out of the country, Zelensky came up with "state treason" charges against him, since back in 2015 ( or whatever) P. was buying coal from the LDNR and delivering it in "Ukraine proper."
( All the previous charges in embezzlement, theft and the rest ( I mean the REAL charges against Poroshenko) were dismissed long time ago, in spite of the original promise of Ze to lock P. up, when Ze was running for presidency.

So NOW Ze decided to lock him up on totally different charges.

Poroshenko basically said "F you," and returned to Ukraine; the crowd of supporters was cheering up his return.

Ze ( or rather people working for Ze, Ukrainian court including) were afraid to arrest him ( as intended) right in the airport.

P.S. Blinken from what I understand is urgently flying to Kiev.


Kremlin is waiting for official written response from the US that was promised this week, before it will make the next move.
Is that a yes or no? What do you think? Will Russian troops move into Ukraine?
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Old 01-18-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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LDNR is becoming a pressing problem.

Since the Nationalists on the front lines are attacking them incessantly, ( and the West keeps silence about it, obviously,) this is already becoming a growing problem, that requires a resolution.
And then we are going back to the "Minsk agreement" and what it entails.


Ze is not in charge of the Nationalist battalions and they are refusing to implement that international agreement.

Now with Poroshenko back in the picture ( how much power exactly HE still has over the Nationalists is questionable at this point) things are getting interesting again.

Conflict in and around LDNR will likely simmer on for years, similar to Nagorno Karabakh. It would seem unwise for Russian military to get involved in either conflict in an overt fashion that could trigger a war involving great powers.
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Old 01-18-2022, 12:43 PM
 
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Is that a yes or no? What do you think? Will Russian troops move into Ukraine?

My personal opinion?

I don't exclude such possibility, even though at this point Russians get a lot of dividends just STANDING on that Ukrainian border.
The hysteria of the nationalists in Ukraine - I like it even for this fact.


The rumors are flying back and forth, that Russians are evacuating THEIR diplomats from Kiev ( a rumor coming from the US.) Not sure that this is true, but the fact that "Canada deploys small contingent of special forces to Ukraine" - that's confirmed.

I guess they still can't decide whether Canadians are going there to "identify ways to assist the Ukrainian government," or to evacuate the Canadian embassy.
Then a lot of international investors are pulling money out of Ukraine at this point ( expecting the war) - that's yet another dividend for Russia just standing on the Ukrainian border.



However, judging by the rhetorics of the official Russian media ( particularly when it comes to Donbass,) I don't exclude the conflict going into the "hot phase."
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Old 01-18-2022, 01:02 PM
 
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Conflict in and around LDNR will likely simmer on for years, similar to Nagorno Karabakh.

Nagorno Karabkh conflict is CENTURIES old, so it's a different story all together.

But in case of the LDNR, Moscow lately directly ( and loudly so) is attaching itself to this conflict, rallying the Russians around it. ( NOT a case even three years ago, when the LDNR question was hushed up in Russian media as "internal Ukrainian affair," as much as Zakhar( chenko) - then head of the DNR was asking for recognition and inclusion in the Russian Federation.)
But now I see a totally different approach in Russian media, Donbass is loud and clear in the news, with all the patriotic undertones directed at Russian population - sort of like it was with Crimea.


A month ago we were leaving some fancy Russian restaurant downtown Moscow, and a guy came up to us, asking for money ( "to get enough for a hostel.") And he said he was from Donbass, hoping to get HIS dividends from the "wealthy folks," implying they were patriotic Russians that is. ( Sure they've heard on the news what's going on? Donbass is "in," it's not brushed off and hushed up any longer.)



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It would seem unwise for Russian military to get involved in either conflict in an overt fashion that could trigger a war involving great powers.
It would seem unwise to come up with the direct ultimatums to the US gov. and NATO, instead of negotiating through some back channels ( as Biden's government would like to see it happen,) yet this was the latest choice of Putin.

Something is up I assume if he went this rout.

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