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Yes, that's what I consider Ukrainian ( although TECHNICALLY SPEAKING it's the other way around, since Russia was born out of Ukraine, lol)
So to be more exact, Ukrainian language is rather an atavism, not exactly "dialect."
And yes, it has its own "time and place" - mostly in the country side where it belongs if you ask me.
The language of literature and science that was developed later, is of course Russian language.
So?
Yes, basically Russia belongs to Ukraine, as you say. Ukrainization should be the rule of the land.
I'm neither ethnic Ukrainian nor Russian but Mennonite, part of the Germanic groups Catherine the Great brought to the Russian Empire. That's just an FYI. Just as it's useful to know you're Russian and therefore prejudiced in favour of Russia.
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I think the answer is obvious - they were the Russians that didn't want to be forcibly "Ukranianicized" by the Nationalists.
They didn't want to be murdered while resisting this process, they didn't want to speak the backward dialect instead of their native Russian language, they didn't want to become part of the backward culture, and they didn't want to become part of the American/NATO-backed territory.
When I am arguing the whole case of Ukraine, I am not looking necessarily at it from Putin's point of view. ( At least not until recently.)
I put myself in the shoes of the population of the South Eastern Ukraine, and I'd be LIVID if forced to go through this process of "Ukrainianization" pushed by the Nationalists.
So I really-really felt for them because of everything I saw happening over there.
Those years could only "feel quite peaceful" to people deprived of the information.
In reality, those years in Ukraine were anything but "peaceful."
The only place that remained peaceful from 2014, was Crimea after the Russian takeover.
Well, Glory to Ukraine. I hope the absolute best for the real ethnic Ukranians. You all deserve your own country that is officially made since the 1990's right from Gorbachev NOT Putin. And blessed with your own independence more than three decades. Still going strong. What a nice affordable vacation bargain compared to the more overpriced Western Europe, and Ukraine felt one of the biggest in Europe with 5 to 10 other countries after Russia. Ukraine's own 5 cities with around one million extra wonderul rightful citizens (Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odessa, Dnipro, Donetsk), then at least 33 cities of Ukraine above hundreds of thousands (Lviv, Zaporizhzhia, Kryvyi Rih, Mykolaiv, Sevastopol, Mariupol, Luhansk, Vinnytsia, Makivka, Simferpol, Chernihiv, Kherson, Poltava, Khmelnytskyi, Cherkasy, Chernivtsi, Zhytomyr, Sumy, Rivne, Horlivka, Ivano-Frankivsk, Kamianske, Ternopil, Kropyvnytskyi, Kremenchuk, Lutsk, Bila Tserkva).
RIP Rest In Peace Ukraine 1991-2022. Trust me, 2016-2021 especially, and even 2014-2015 is still quite relatively stable good compared to what happened in 2022.
I can't wait until the Russia-Ukraine-Belarus conflict ends. Hopefully, very ephemeral. Still not too late for Ukraine to recover.
I am going to visit Russia, Ukraine, Belarus one to two years after peaceful ceasefire.
I really hope 1/3, 1/2, 2/3rd's 30% of 70% of Russia doesn't have such anti-Ukraine mindset. Or just don't care. Simply not wanting to invade.
Yes, basically Russia belongs to Ukraine, as you say. Ukrainization should be the rule of the land.
No it does not, since the "center of operation," the center of the religion/culture/language of the former "Kievan state" moved Eastward from Kiev to Moscow. ( Not directly though, the city of Vladimir happened to be capital before that.)
The "borderlands" ( that's what "Ukraine" means) became...well.. the borderlands.
And had to either comply with the new center of the same religion/culture, or to be destroyed by the foreign invaders.
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I'm neither ethnic Ukrainian nor Russian but Mennonite, part of the Germanic groups Catherine the Great brought to the Russian Empire. That's just an FYI. Just as it's useful to know you're Russian and therefore prejudiced in favour of Russia.
Before moving on ... per vetting etc. ... the original circulator of the FSB letter thru the Vindman chain (who I had not described, only discussed why he assessed it as very possibly authentic) was:
Christo Grozev
@christogrozev Bellingcat exec director. Emmy & Nannen Prize for investigative journalism 2021, European Prize for Investigative Journalism and London Press Club Prize 2019.
Just noticed that he rejected another assertion that the Belarusian chief of general staff resigned:
@Christo Grozev
Please do not spread all "leaked documents" that appear to align with what you want to be true. There is no reason to believe this letter is authentic (and it takes a couple of minutes to make a fake one). The burden of proof at times like this is on authenticity, not forgery.
Still, that one is getting some traction to where its being picked up by several second-rate media outlets albeit with qualifications:
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"The Ministry of Defense of Belarus questioned the authenticity of the letter and said Mr Gulevich cannot ask the Minister of Defence to resign, but rather the person who employed him - the commander-in-chief of the Armed Forces of the Republic of Belarus." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...raine-war.html
Not going to revisit now (maybe later), but in plowing thru some of the ww2 material became fascinated by the layering of so-called 'realities.' How documents or stories were possibly fabricated then distributed, or alternatively destroyed. Influenced by ethnicity, various factions were more likely to accept certain versions. That created controversies that exist to this day.
Very briefly, I tend to accept the 'Russian view' of some events although see where Ukrainians can genuinely believe the alternate.
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Mennonites are a peace church, for anyone who doesn't know that, and the Mennonite Central Committee began in Indiana when Mennonites there found out how the Mennonites in Ukraine were starving after the Revolution.
No it does not, since the "center of operation," the center of the religion/culture/language of the former "Kievan state" moved Eastward from Kiev to Moscow. ( Not directly though, the city of Vladimir happened to be capital before that.)
The "borderlands" ( that's what "Ukraine" means) became...well.. the borderlands.
And had to either comply with the new center of the same religion/culture, or to be destroyed by the foreign invaders.
Am I really?
"Canada" comes from "Kanata," an aboriginal word meaning "village." So what is your point about "borderlands?" Clearly, it's telling you there is a border.
Could someone explain why Russian forces have been taking control of the nuclear power plants in Ukraine?
Thanks.
My first guess is to secure/to protect them from the subversive activities of the Ukrainian nutters.
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