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It's pretty simple. It's not about "territorial ambitions". It's about controlling the world. Russia is the only and last country that stands in the way of Anglo-sphere domination. Without Russia, all other countries would be just eternal slaves of US/UK. And it's doesn't even depend on what Russia does or does not. The very existence of a huge country that is independentAND can wipe out Anglo-sphere from the face of this planet if they dare to invade is a forever headache for globalists.
So, of course Ukraine doesn't stand a chance. And even NATO doesn't stand a chance. But it's NOT the goal of the war. The goal is to create unbearable economic burden for Russia - one way or another.
Don't be stupid, what are you 12 or something? The fact is nobody is winning WW3, oh and why is the UK being dragged into all of this? Fact is Ukraine is a sovereign state and if Russia invades then who will be the 'bad guys' exactly?
It's pretty simple. It's not about "territorial ambitions". It's about controlling the world.
So, of course Ukraine doesn't stand a chance. And even NATO doesn't stand a chance. But it's NOT the goal of the war. The goal is to create unbearable economic burden for Russia - one way or another.
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Logic says oil/gas and commodities will skyrocket as well as gold yet I don't care about fuel prices, nor am I involved with any of these companies, nor do I bet on futures/options or whatever derivatives.
The USA has been debating closing down Russia's natural gas pipeline to Europe for a couple of years. The USA wants a crisis so oil/gas prices rise and Europe will be dependent on high priced USA natural gas.
# Country World Share
1 Russia 24.3%
2 Iran 17.3%
3 Qatar 12.5%
4 United States 5.3%
5 Saudi Arabia 4.2%
6 Turkmenistan 3.8%
7 United Arab Emirates 3.1%
8 Venezuela 1 2.8%
9 Nigeria 2.6%
10 China 2.4%
11 Algeria 2.3%
Shortly thereafter on August 19, 1953 a successful coup was headed by retired army general Fazlollah Zahedi, organized by the United States (CIA) with the active support of the British (MI6) (known as Operation Ajax and Operation Boot to the respective agencies). The coup—with a black propaganda campaign designed to turn the population against Mosaddeq — forced Mosaddeq from office. Mosaddeq was arrested and tried for treason. Found guilty, his sentence reduced to house arrest on his family estate while his foreign minister, Hossein Fatemi, was executed. Zahedi succeeded him as prime minister, and suppressed opposition to the Shah, specifically the National Front and Communist Tudeh Party.
Iran was ruled as an autocracy under the Shah with American support from that time until the revolution. The Iranian government entered into agreement with an international consortium of foreign companies which ran the Iranian oil facilities for the next 25 years splitting profits fifty-fifty with Iran but not allowing Iran to audit their accounts or have members on their board of directors.
In 1950's, if an American said the USA was overthrowing governments for corporations, people thought this guy is crazy, tin foil hat wearing, nut. Now how can you not think it's not done for corporate greed?
There is a worldwide attempt to control the world like during in the pandemic lockdowns and vaccine passports.
Looks like you're a little late for the party...the only countries in the world who consider France and Germany as any sort of power these days are small eastern european countries like mine. Everyone else only thinks of them as football powers.
I don’t think the Anglo-sphere has any territorial ambitions as far as Russia is concerned. Why would they invade Russia? To what end?
They wouldn't.
That's not the plan.
See, the US "move" on Ukraine was made ( again) back in 2014, when Putin simply signed the economic agreement with Yanukovich ( then president of Ukraine.)
And THAT's what put America up in arms.
From Obama's administration point of view, Russia was not suppose to grow and expand its economy.
From the 90ies, there was a plan to suffocate her slowly but surely. But it didn't quite work out as intended back then.
But cutting Ukraine off was always part of this plan, ( according to Obama's adviser, Brzezinsky, Russia would have stopped to be that mighty "Eurasian empire" with Ukraine being cut off,) and so this plan came in place in 2014.
The USA has been debating closing down Russia's natural gas pipeline to Europe for a couple of years. The USA wants a crisis so oil/gas prices rise and Europe will be dependent on high priced USA natural gas.
# Country World Share
1 Russia 24.3%
2 Iran 17.3%
3 Qatar 12.5%
4 United States 5.3%
5 Saudi Arabia 4.2%
6 Turkmenistan 3.8%
7 United Arab Emirates 3.1%
8 Venezuela 1 2.8%
9 Nigeria 2.6%
10 China 2.4%
11 Algeria 2.3%
Back then if an American said the USA was overthrowing governments for corporations, people thought this guy is crazy, tin foil hat wearing, nut. Now how can you not think it's not done for corporate greed?
The really funny thing is Russia is currently building the Power Of Siberia 2 pipeline system to China. Currently the gas shipped to Europe comes from the Yamal gas system and goes no where else. PoS2 is going to connect the gas fields of the Yamal system to the system shipping gas to China. The Russians will be shipping gas to China in far greater quantities through PoS2 that Nordstream 1 and 2 combined.
I don’t think the Anglo-sphere has any territorial ambitions as far as Russia is concerned. Why would they invade Russia? To what end?
You need to keep in mind that ANY country capable of resisting in any form is a threat to the US hegemony.
If you look at the actions of America over the last 150 years you will notice a pattern. The US breaks the legs of countries to keep them in their place. Very few ever rise because economic pressures exerted by the US keep countries from developing in many cases.
The US wants Russia on its knees, poor, decrepit, chaotic and in many pieces so that Russia cannot stand and pose a threat to the US or a hinderance to it's ambitions.
I want to see France and Germany show more skin in the game. The EU got involved with Ukraine, and now somehow the US and UK are stuck with dealing with the fallout. Germany and France are feckless powers. If you want to be recognized as major world powers, deal with the **** in you own backyard that you started. SHAME ON YOU, France, Germany, and EU!!! Prove to us that the EU is the bastion of world democracy that you fancy yourselves being. Anything negative that befalls Ukraine is completely on France and Germany!!! If you want to pretend that you are among the world leaders with any sort of relevance, at least act like it!!! Joke countries, joke "Union."
Europe deserves Russian aggression if it fails to act in any meaningful sort of manner. After you idiots fail to sort out matters for a third ****ing time, I guess we Americans will come to fix things on your continent for a third damn time. Your welcome. Hopefully, there won't be another wave of Euro-trash badmouthing the US after we've liberated and rebuilt your continent again.
Oh wow. What a masterpiece.
I really think the Europeans (some of who are Russians) need to get rid of NATO and the US. Europeans need to grow some CAJONES and take their own path. The US is nothing more than a hinderance, a threat to all of us.
The only countries even trying to better humanity is Russia and China it seems.
You're a piece of work buddy. Go punch yourself in the face.
You need to keep in mind that ANY country capable of resisting in any form is a threat to the US hegemony.
If you look at the actions of America over the last 150 years you will notice a pattern. The US breaks the legs of countries to keep them in their place. Very few ever rise because economic pressures exerted by the US keep countries from developing in many cases.
The US wants Russia on its knees, poor, decrepit, chaotic and in many pieces so that Russia cannot stand and pose a threat to the US or a hinderance to it's ambitions.
I would not say the US wants Russia to be poor or chaotic. If that was so, why was during the Cold war West Germany where the US had numerous military bases there was the richest country in Europe, while Eastern Germany was much poorer under Soviet occupation? Or South Korea which has a really long US military presence is a highly developed country and South Korean products like Samsung which is the most popular mobile phone worldwide and has made 76 trillion in sales? While North Korea is much lower living standards than South Korea.
It the same as with China and the US does not want China to be poor and chaotic, but welcome its fast development in the last 40 years, however they want a much bigger economic role in the country and are striving to do everything to protect their business interests there.
Yet the US and West want to have a much bigger slice of the role of the economy of Russia.
Yet the US fights wars to protects its interests. If its interests especially economic or natural resources such as oil, gas, etc are really threatened then the US will do all in its power to fight against that. Sure US and Western companies has huge interests in Russia especially with the oil and gas and with that is an really important factor influencing the policies of governments in the West and US.
With Ukraine I believe the West and US has hastened the problems. Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union should have followed Finland example and adapt a neutral foreign policy like Finland. It worked very well for Finland, instead of wanting to be part of NATO.
There isn't really a "West". There's the U.S. which naturally dominates NATO and has the military power, but their goals aren't identical to those of the EU or of the specific European countries (except perhaps the UK which tends to hitch its wagon to the U.S.).
I suspect that the "demarcation line" doesn't go any longer between the US and European countries.
Things look even more complex at this point.
Let's see here;
There are "birthing people" ( according to Biden) in the US, and there are "transgender MPs" in the Green party of Germany, that fight at the moment the lawsuit from the feminists.
And then there is this German Navy Vice Admiral Kay-Achim Schoenbach, who happened to express his personal point of view on Russia, on Ukraine, on Crimea, and who was promptly discharged after that. ( Obviously, he is not the only one who thinks this way, but he was probably more outspoken than others and paid the price.)
So yes, there is more than just one line that divides "the West."
The fragmentation happens within quite a few lines, and not just between US/Europe, but within both American and European societies.
There is a meeting in Paris on Wednesday, between the countries France, Germany, Ukraine, Russia. The goal is to de-escalate, and try to defuse this. That is the responsible thing to do. Who doesn't want peace?
Notice: 1. The US and UK are excluded. 2. Some of the more radical Ukrainians condemn this meeting.
It is the US, UK, and radical Ukrainians who want war.
If it's just some fear of Russian invasion as claimed by the US, that can be resolved with mutual agreements to pull back. It is a responsibility to humanity to at least try. But there are people who do not want peace.
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