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Old 02-12-2021, 07:57 AM
 
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Now this.

https://112.international/ukraine-to...ine-58873.html
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Old 02-12-2021, 11:01 AM
 
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Most likely, these officials, who are accused of all mortal sins, are the only ones who somehow tried to support at least some kind of viability of the gas system of Ukraine.
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Old 02-12-2021, 02:04 PM
 
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I checked following one of the links provided there, since it was unclear to me who exactly opened this case against the "Naftogas" and what it was all about.

But now I know.

This is the never-ending saga of the state called "Ukraine," so three-four, take deep breath, let's go;

"Certain facts of possible violations in the course of actions of "Naftogas" officials are looked at, in pre-criminal investigation registered at... bla-bla-bla, in connection with possibility of the actions directed against the economic security of Ukraine by providing help to the foreign state, foreign organization or its representatives to conduct subversive activities against Ukraine. "


That's the Security Service response to "Ukrainian News" inquiries.
Now let me translate what it means in normal language.


What the bleating idiots are saying now, is that ( listen closely,) all this thieving, all this thuggery by Naftogas officials, (and as result - hiking of consumer prices,) are the actions directed to help Russia to achieve the goal to undermine the might of Ukrainian state.

Therefore the Naftogas officials that loot the company, are "Russian operatives."

( That's what they are hinting at here.)



Obviously, the 112 TV channel was one of those closed down, because while steadily pointing at all the corruption in the energy sector earlier, they were none other but "Russian operatives," undermining trust in Zelensky's government, right?
It's only logical, according to the bleating idiots.
But bleating idiots are only half of the problem.
Next thing you see is a *beautifully designed* "Time" piece, that approves of the shut down of this TV station too, since it dares to report "on Giuliani and his enablers in Ukraine."
So this must be the channel of the "Russian operatives" right there too.
And that's how it goes.

Obama advisers didn't know what they asked for, when they decided to finance "Ukraine as anti-Russia project."
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Old 02-12-2021, 03:53 PM
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Good, sounds like things are being handled correctly. Ze is earning his top spot in the polls again.

I see Lazrov is mad about his spat with the EU's Borrell. Threatening to sever relations with the bloc over sanctions. Maybe he needs a time out for his hysteria? But what does this have to do with Ukraine anyway... oh Borrell reminded the world that sanctions will not go away until "the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, which is a strong condition in the relationship between the European Union and Russia... I am not going to go into the details, but as far as the Minsk agreements are not being fulfilled, the normalization of the relations between the European Union and Russia will not happen,"

So looks like Russia thinks the EU will cave to them over Ukraine with the threat of "severed" relations. Yeah right Lavrov, good try but you failed.
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Old 02-12-2021, 06:32 PM
 
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Good, sounds like things are being handled correctly. Ze is earning his top spot in the polls again.

I see Lazrov is mad about his spat with the EU's Borrell. Threatening to sever relations with the bloc over sanctions. Maybe he needs a time out for his hysteria? But what does this have to do with Ukraine anyway... oh Borrell reminded the world that sanctions will not go away until "the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, which is a strong condition in the relationship between the European Union and Russia... I am not going to go into the details, but as far as the Minsk agreements are not being fulfilled, the normalization of the relations between the European Union and Russia will not happen,"

So looks like Russia thinks the EU will cave to them over Ukraine with the threat of "severed" relations. Yeah right Lavrov, good try but you failed.
It's not Russia that crapped its drawers about it today. Big business in the EU made a few phone calls apparently and there's a whole new song being sung. Your info is out of date.
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Old 02-12-2021, 09:07 PM
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Oh I'm well aware of the "set up". We will threaten those cowards with severed relations and it didn't happen because they begged us not to. No really, please elaborate what sanctions are being dropped? Should be easy to support your claim...
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Old 02-12-2021, 09:46 PM
 
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Good, sounds like things are being handled correctly. Ze is earning his top spot in the polls again.

Because his propaganda channels are painting whatever numbers they are commanded now, and there is no one out there to point that these numbers are fake?



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I see Lazrov is mad about his spat with the EU's Borrell. Threatening to sever relations with the bloc over sanctions. Maybe he needs a time out for his hysteria? But what does this have to do with Ukraine anyway... oh Borrell reminded the world that sanctions will not go away until "the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, which is a strong condition in the relationship between the European Union and Russia... I am not going to go into the details, but as far as the Minsk agreements are not being fulfilled, the normalization of the relations between the European Union and Russia will not happen,"

So looks like Russia thinks the EU will cave to them over Ukraine with the threat of "severed" relations. Yeah right Lavrov, good try but you failed.

I wonder about this myself.

From what I've heard on "60 minutes" this morning, Borrel didn't even mention Ukraine when he was in Moscow on visit. It was not included in his visit agenda at all.

So they wonder now why is he forced to talk about Ukraine when he is back in EU, reporting about his visit to Russia. As if he has to justify himself somehow in front of "EU community."


P.S. Another thing - it looks like EU is waking up to the fact of the Nazi next door ( in Ukraine) and the site "Peacemaker" and what this is all about.

So Sharijs activities pay off.

I need to look more into it.
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Old 02-13-2021, 05:34 PM
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From what I've heard on "60 minutes" this morning, Borrel didn't even mention Ukraine when he was in Moscow on visit. It was not included in his visit agenda at all.
That's because your Russian shows want to present Ukraine as unimportant to the EU. Russia cannot stand knowing that EU sanctions and "relations" are in the toilet because of Russia attacking Ukraine.

Borrell's own words:
"During my meetings with Minister Lavrov it was clear that we [the European Union] defend Ukrainian sovereignty, [its] territorial integrity... we requested the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, which is a strong condition in the relationship between the European Union and Russia. This was high in the agenda, we discussed a lot."
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:19 PM
 
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That's because your Russian shows want to present Ukraine as unimportant to the EU. Russia cannot stand knowing that EU sanctions and "relations" are in the toilet because of Russia attacking Ukraine.

Borrell's own words:
"During my meetings with Minister Lavrov it was clear that we [the European Union] defend Ukrainian sovereignty, [its] territorial integrity... we requested the fulfillment of the Minsk agreements, which is a strong condition in the relationship between the European Union and Russia. This was high in the agenda, we discussed a lot."

DKM...
Why don't you listen to the conference yourself, and point me EXACTLY WHEN Borrell was talking about Ukraine while THERE, IN MOSCOW?


They were talking about anything and everything - Cuba, success of Russian anti-Covid vaccine and about possible co-production of it in EU, Navalny - with other words whatever, except for Ukraine.

Lavrov mentioned Ukraine for a second only, when he brought Zelensky as example of someone who doesn't want to fulfill Minsk agreement, yet he wants to hang on to it, only for a reason that it keeps sanctions against Russia going.
Borrell didn't mention Ukraine AT ALL during that conference ( at least I can't find it anywhere.)
But now, when the EU has a hysteria over this conference ( EU, not Lavrov as you mistakenly thought as usual,) poor Barrell is trying to justify himself, while they are forcing him to resign.
Why? Because according to all these bleach blond dumbarses in EU parliament, EU "looked as weak as never before," because Barrell was so weak and Lavrov basically handed them all their arses back, as he usually does.

And that's why all these bleach blonds think that Barrell shouldn't have even go there, while Russians feel sorry for him, for the way he was treated in EU parliament after this trip, being a diplomat with a long and solid career. ( So do I, because he comes across as a nice man, and it's not easy to deal with someone like Lavrov - far away from it.)



Bested by Lavrov, Borrell faces fury in Brussels.



So as you can see, it was NOT about Ukraine at all, as much as you'd love it to be.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxKRVTubtqc
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Old 02-13-2021, 10:26 PM
 
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P.S. And by "bleach blond dumb ar*** I mean this.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-55L_YLPhLg


"A real chance to tame the beer."


Right.

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