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Old 03-20-2022, 11:52 AM
 
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Country under deadly attack and invasion takes measures to limit what the invaders can do - quelle surprise!

Russians --> get out of Ukraine. If you want to live in Russia, there's this huge place called - you guessed it - Russia. It's thattaway ------->
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Old 03-20-2022, 12:10 PM
 
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The Institute for the Study of War released a report yesterday.

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Key Takeaways:

We now assess that the initial Russian campaign to seize Ukraine’s capital and major cities and force regime change has failed;

Russian forces continue efforts to restore momentum to this culminated campaign, but those efforts will likely also fail;

Russian troops will continue trying to advance to within effective artillery range of the center of Kyiv, but prospects for their success are unclear;

The war will likely descend into a phase of bloody stalemate that could last for weeks or months;
Russia will expand efforts to bombard Ukrainian civilians in order to break Ukrainians’ will to continue fighting (at which the Russians will likely fail);

The most dangerous current Russian advance is from Kherson north toward Kryvyi Rih in an effort to isolate Zaporizhiya and Dnipro from the west. Russian forces are unlikely to be able to surround or take Kryvyi Rih in the coming days, and may not be able to do so at all without massing much larger forces for the effort than they now have available on that axis;

The Russians appear to have abandoned plans to attack Odesa at least in the near term
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https://www.understandingwar.org/bac...sment-march-19
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Old 03-20-2022, 02:28 PM
 
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It seems the largest Ukrainian diaspora is in Russia. I wonder how many generations they have lived there. They may not have any affinity for Ukraine anymore.
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:06 PM
 
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Country under deadly attack and invasion takes measures to limit what the invaders can do - quelle surprise!

Russians --> get out of Ukraine. If you want to live in Russia, there's this huge place called - you guessed it - Russia. It's thattaway ------->
Isn't that what the last eight years has been about? Driving ethnic Russians out of Ukraine? Outlawing ethnic Russian's language, breaking the Minsk Agreements?

Come on, ethnic cleansing has been an ongoing process! It's out for all to see!
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:24 PM
 
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War criminal Putin continues to inflict pain and sufferings on the people of Ukraine. Barrage of vacuum bombs were launched into civilian areas.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXdTlF-tEw4
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:31 PM
 
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This forum is 99% shouting "russian child killers" by America, Canada, New Zealand and every other country that serves her majesty, the Queen. It gets boring regardless of how awful and how guilty russian soldiers are. Maybe instead people should be focusing on finding a solution of the core conflict, which is freedom and independence of Crimea.
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:52 PM
 
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This forum is 99% shouting "russian child killers" by America, Canada, New Zealand and every other country that serves her majesty, the Queen. It gets boring regardless of how awful and how guilty russian soldiers are. Maybe instead people should be focusing on finding a solution of the core conflict, which is freedom and independence of Crimea.
A Putin brain implant? What practically can be done. He's put himself in a terrible position. Is Ukraine to fracture itself for that reason alone. It may well come down to child killing. How many die. Who blinks first?
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:54 PM
 
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A Putin brain implant? What practically can be done. He's put himself in a terrible position. Is Ukraine to fracture itself for that reason alone. It may well come down to child killing. How many die. Who blinks first?
Don't be silly. What the difference between the USA invasion of Iraq and the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
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Old 03-20-2022, 03:58 PM
 
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A Putin brain implant? What practically can be done. He's put himself in a terrible position. Is Ukraine to fracture itself for that reason alone. It may well come down to child killing. How many die. Who blinks first?

Turkey and Israel are trying to mediate peace talks for some time. If Zelenski agrees to give up Crimea at least (which he should) then it's over. The far east should held referendum.
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Old 03-20-2022, 04:06 PM
 
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Don't be silly. What the difference between the USA invasion of Iraq and the Russian invasion of Ukraine?
The USA (and Americans) learned. Putin (and Russians) did not.

Note also the nuclear factor. The wrong justification for the Iraq war was WMDs. Putin actually has WMDs. They tend to be very destabilizing if waved around, existing or not.

What Putin has done is to restart the Cold War and a nuclear arms race. We stupid Americans didn't realize his feelings were getting hurt to where he'd already reentered it.

Another American mistake. Putin really needed to be a world partner. But did he have to invade Ukraine to prove the point?

And if you truly think this is about his concern for the Donbass, well I don't know what to say. Looked at all THREE versions of the constitutional provisions concerning language status. Before, during, and after Yanukovych. It's such a red herring, other than to inflame Donbass and prepare the Russian public for war.

You know, of course, that some substantial number - if not most ???? - neo-Nazi militias are also Russian speaking.

Last edited by EveryLady; 03-20-2022 at 04:23 PM.. Reason: Endless typos when emotion and fingers pair.
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