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Do you in all honesty think that it was intentional killing?
Does it matter? No. You don't accidentally shoot down airplanes. Handling those kinds of weapons and you should be 100% sure what you are doing. This should be a wake-up call. Disarm all those Motorolas and other lunatics, or more innocent civilians will die for nothing.
Yes it does. Knowingly killing civilians or unintentionally hitting the civil plane - those are two different matters for me.
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No. You don't accidentally shoot down airplanes.
In the war zone? Of course that might happen, that's why I was surprised to learn that anyone (other than Aeroflot) would be still flying civil planes over that area.
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Handling those kinds of weapons and you should be 100% sure what you are doing.
You can never be 100% sure of anything in the war zone.
Does it matter? No. You don't accidentally shoot down airplanes. Handling those kinds of weapons and you should be 100% sure what you are doing. This should be a wake-up call. Disarm all those Motorolas and other lunatics, or more innocent civilians will die for nothing.
Uh, this is not the first time this has happened.
- Ukraine shot a passenger plane down in 2001.
- The US shot a passenger plane down in 1988.
So sure, disarm Ukraine and the US lunatics before more innocent civilians are killed.
You have some nerve wanting sympathy for the separatists after 300 dead civilians today.
I like when you call Ukrainian army separatists. Look for more information about them, we will never have symathy for them anymore, they are murderers and it is a shame that few months ago we were the same country.
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You have some nerve wanting sympathy for the separatists after 300 dead civilians today.
Yet no sympathy for the hundreds if not thousands civilians dead from Kiev forces? These same Kiev forces that are supposedly in the area to "liberate the people of E. Ukraine", yet are firing artillery and bombing civilian areas?
You expect the millions of people in E. Ukraine to welcome Kiev with open arms after all of this? What kind of liberation is this? What country attacks its own population in an effort to "free" them?
While the passenger jet downing was tragic, it was an accident and no more. Ukraine has made this mistake before in 2001, and the US made this mistake before in 1988. The US also blew away a British Tornado during the beginning of the Iraq War by mistake. In my opinion, the darn plane should not have been flying there, but Petro is too obtuse to ever create a no-fly-zone because to him, that would be giving authority of E. Ukraine to the rebels who in fact did declare a no-fly-zone weeks ago.
Kiev also knew darn well that they are flying their planes at high altitudes to avoid mandpads, and that the rebels possibly have an advanced system to take a high altitude shot as Kiev loss an AN-26 at 20k feet.
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I believe that East Ukrainians have legitimate grievances against the new government in Kiev. You don't start professing "European values" while pointing a finger at part of your population as a "source of eternal problems" and reviving the ghosts of not so distant past. (Unless, of course, we are talking about "European values" of the thirties.)
What Putin is making out of this whole situation is a totally different matter; in spite of American propaganda that's trying to convince me that he and the "rebels" are one and the same thing, they are really not. Heck, Putin and Russia are not one and the same thing either.
Russia sucks. Never cared for these bastards and as much as these European pseudo intellectuals are always criticizing the USA for all the ills of the world-the history of Russia and the USSR is much darker.
Russia sucks. Never cared for these bastards and as much as these European pseudo intellectuals are always criticizing the USA for all the ills of the world-the history of Russia and the USSR is much darker.
It is.
The history of Russia and the USSR is much darker than history of the US, but as ironic as it is, European intellectuals are actually right when they criticize the USA for "all the ills of the world," because it's the USA that has this push to take over the world. Russia ( as dark as it might be) is really playing only the counter-balancing role.
By the way. If we assume that the rebels themselves could not shoot down the plane because a weapon is too complex, it remains possible killers: Russia or Ukraine. Who was more profitable to shoot down the plane?
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